tlhIngan-Hol Archive: Tue May 26 15:23:32 1998
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Re: On (was Off) topic: I need a help in translation
- From: Marc Ruehlaender <[email protected]>
- Subject: Re: On (was Off) topic: I need a help in translation
- Date: Tue, 26 May 1998 17:23:23 CDT
- In-Reply-To: Your message of Fri, 22 May 1998 13:41:13 -0700
ja' charghwI':
> > Hol latlh Dalo'taHvIS, qechvam yIqon.
>
> loQ mumISmoH <<Hol latlh>>.
>
Hol wa' Dalo'taHvIS qech DalaD.
Hol cha' Dalo'taHvIS qech Daqon.
<<Hol latlh>> vIlo'DI', Holvam cha' vIDel 'e' vIHech.
> > pagh bIH mu''e'. Hoch bIH qech'e'.
>
> Plurality is really interesting here. You are showcasing
> Klingon's ability to avoid grammatical redundency. Most
motlh <<-pu'>> <<-mey>> <<-Du'>> je vIlo'be' 'e' vInID.
rut mIwvammo' mu'tlhegh rIn yajHa'lu'.
pIj mu'tlhegh rIn yajlu'chu'.
<<yajHa'lu'>>, <<yajlu'chu'>> je vIghItlhtaHvIS, Hutlhmo' <<-laH>>,
cha' mu'tlheghvam yajHa'be'lu'. bIQoch'a'?
on the other hand, I think, this one is a bit too much...
the time stamp is supposed to modify {Hutlh <<-laH>>},
and the whole thing should serve as a causal clause for
the main sentence, where the {-be'} really ought to
negate the {-mo'} on {Hutlh}... :-(
> langauges reinforce a message by exhibiting a lot of redundency
> and failure for things to "agree" is considered grammatical
> error, but in Klingon, you have found the most efficient place
one counterexample is Turkish, where a noun with a number is never
to be explicitly marked as plural, like saying "two dog" instead
of "two dog_s_" would be correct (and of course all those
languages that say "mu" to this problem by not having any markers
that could be used for "agreement")
> to indicate plurality in the pronoun, omitting the noun
> suffixes, and there's no problem with the grammatical
> "disagreement" with the grammatically singular nouns {pagh} and
> {Hoch}. This is quite elegant. I like it.
>
choquvqu'moHneS!
jatlh Human bIDwIj... jatlh tlHIngan bIDwI':
tlHIngan jIH }}:-}
Marc Ruehlaender
aka HomDoq
[email protected]