tlhIngan-Hol Archive: Thu Jul 16 13:13:14 1998
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Re: KLBC - pabwIj vIlughmoH 'ej mu'tlheghmey chu' vIqon
- From: "William H. Martin" <[email protected]>
- Subject: Re: KLBC - pabwIj vIlughmoH 'ej mu'tlheghmey chu' vIqon
- Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 16:13:11 -0400 (Eastern Daylight Time)
- In-Reply-To: <[email protected]>
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On Thu, 16 Jul 1998 12:16:56 -0700 (PDT) Robyn Stewart
<[email protected]> wrote:
> ---"William H. Martin" wrote:
>
> > *(tlhInga jIH'e') definitely feels WRONG to me. I'm completely
> > with ghunchu'wI' on this one. Pronouns can be used as nouns or
> > verbs, but not both at the same time, and when they have one
> > use, you can't use the other suffix...
>
> Well yeah, those N3s are awful, but you never use N3 on a pronoun.
> /jIlujpu' jIHna'/ sounds just as bad.
Well, if I had a Doppleganger, I would definitely use {jIHHey}
(or perhaps {jIHqoq}) and {jIHna'}.
> You do occasionally use /-'e'/ on pronouns.
Do you use it on verbs, too? Please look again at 6.3 (p67) of
TKD:
"...all pronouns... can be used as verbs, in the sense of I am,
you are, etc." and on p68, "...Again, the pronouns are used,
followed, when appropriate, by VERBAL suffixes." [My emphasis,
and I have chosen to drop out irrelavant points. I welcome you
to check to make sure I'm honest about this.]
There is absolutely nothing in TKD or any other canon source
which justifies the use of any noun suffix on a pronoun while it
is being used as a verb. Okrand says you can use pronouns as
verbs and while you do that, you can use appropriate VERB
suffixes. Please don't mislead beginners with an error at this
fundamental level of the grammar. The use of the NOUN suffix
{-'e'} on a pronoun while it is being used as a verb is not
merely controversial. It is obviously wrong.
> In my mind /jIH/ acts as pronoun and verb in PTB, and I think it's
> still allowed to do what a pronoun is allowed to do.
Well, your mind is... not clearly focused on this point of
grammar.
> You don't. We
> dunno. See you on Wednesday.
Maybe you dunno. I know. I'm deeply and purely sure of myself on
this one. We don't merely disagree. You are wrong, and if you
weren't BG, I'd let that stand. It is not so important that one
Klingonist is wrong about fundamental Klingon grammar. But you
have followers. You have EARNED followers. You DESERVE
followers. But that also implies you have a responsibility to
them to set straight that which you accidentally screwed up, and
if there are beginners out there who think you are right on
this, you do them a great disservice to sustain that dillusion.
I respect you a lot. Your vocabulary makes mine laughable. You
look better in a uniform than I do. You are a more sparkling
conversationalist at qep'a' than I am.
But you are dead wrong about pronouns. [charghwI' polishes his
forehead in preparation for ... Well, Klingons give MEANING to
the term tête-a-tête.]
> > At least, I hope these "equivalent meaning" noun and verb suffix
> > sets help to clarify this matter.
> ==
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>
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