tlhIngan-Hol Archive: Sat Jan 03 02:12:47 1998
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Re: KLBC -- jIlIHegh (extreme beginner)
- From: Qov <[email protected]>
- Subject: Re: KLBC -- jIlIHegh (extreme beginner)
- Date: Sat, 03 Jan 1998 02:12:20 -0800
At 22:59 98-01-02 -0800, charghwI' wrote:
}Okay, you corrected my corrections, and I'd like to point out
}this:
I think my followups tended more to "yeah, what he said" than corrections.
}On Fri, 2 Jan 1998 12:22:33 -0800 (PST) Qov <[email protected]>
}wrote:
}
}> At 12:45 98-01-01 -0800, notjISaH wrote:
}> }In a message dated 97-12-26 23:33:58 EST, you write:
}> }...
}> }Qu'vatlh!!! jabbI'IDghom lIHbogh *FAQ*Hom'e' vIlaDpu'. *website* *FAQ*
}> }vIlaDpu'be'. jeH jiHlaw'. poHvatlhDaq *website*Daq *FAQ* vInejpu'be'.
}> }chotu'moHDI' vIlaD.
}>
}> Always {jIH}. A vowel wrong in {poHvetlh}, "that time."
}
}So, you think {jeH jIHlaw'} is a sentence? Qov! How COULD you?
}You corrected the case of the "i" and didn't see anything else
}wrong with this? A cacaphony of people individually leapt upon
}my {loDnI'lIj} and now you do this and nobody else says a word.
}
}[sigh]
DopDaq qul yIchenmoH QobDI' ghu'. I guess I believed him that {jeH} was a
noun as well as a verb. {jIjeHlaw' jIH}. It isn't.
}Maybe if I were prettier...
chaq nIteb QInmeywIj DalaD SoH neH
}> }--The construction {poHvatlhDaq} does not seem very probable from what I
have
}> }read. Can the locative suffix be used to mean "at" a time? Or would it
maybe
}> }have to be some complex "During the time before ____some specific
}> }occurence___"?
}>
}> Klingons don't habitually use the metaphor of place to refer to times, so
}> omit {-Daq}. You just need {poHvetlh} for "at that time."
}
}I hate for us to be giving such a promising new student such
}conflicting advice, so I'll try to back up my suggestion with
}the one bit of canon I have on the topic of the use of {-vam} on
}time stamps. Note that he never mentions {-vetlh} at all and
}from the sound of it, I doubt {-vetlh} works with time.
(Okrand on timestamps delted)
}Perhaps no one else gets the sense that {-vetlh} doesn't fit
}time from this explanation, but I do believe that at least one
}should consider it to be noteably absent from canon. Better
}would be to find some event or action relating to "that time"
}and use the suffix {-DI'} to point to it, rather than the vague,
}wittering and indecisive[1] "at that time", which if anything is
}simply redundant, since any time stamp already in context to be
}pointed to as "at that time" is still the time context without
}"at that time", right?
}
}Whatever the case, I think it bad advice to just shrug it off
}and say, "{poHvetlh}? Sure. Looks fine to me."
bIlugh. jIQochbe' That's what I did.
}Qov, you are doing a fine job. I guess I'm just feeling a little
}over-protective of our amazing new student who happened to show
}up while you were off enjoying the holidays.
DaHjaj chobuQbe'. jIDachtaHvIS bIvumchu'mo' jabbI'IDmey vIlaDchu'. qajIHbe'.
}> }Supvam vIlo'pu'chugh qay' jIH Quch law' jIH Quch puS.
}> Hmm. This gets weird.
}
}> Would you be satisfied that {Supvam vIlo'pu'chugh muQuchmoHpu' De'}
}> represents your thought?
}
}I like this. Or, we could use a ghunchu'vian negative and say:
Grin. For the benefit of those just joining the program, I'll mention that
this trick is one often recommended by ghunchu'wI' (Alan Anderson). I was
actually expecting HIM to follow up.
}Supvam vIlo'be'pu'mo' Qatlhpu' Qu'wIj.
}> }OK, I admit that it all falls apart on that last phrase. Can I put suffixes
}> }on verbs in that comparative formula?
}>
}> I'm comfortable with suffixes on the verbs, but not on the {law'} and {puS}
}> themselves.
}
}This could prove to be an interesting discussion. So, which
}suffixes make you feel comfortable on the verbs of quality? All
}of them? Care to show examples of good use of suffixes on verbs
}of quality in comparatives?
Heh. All the ones I'd use on any other verb expressing a quality or
condition: {-qu'}, {-Ha'} and {-be'}. Nothing else makes a lot of sense.
Good catch. I mentally tested only the first one that came to mind, {-qu'}.
}> }vay'mey mughojmoHbejpu'.
}> }
}> }(Heehee!! I just couldn't resist! That is supposed to read "You have
}> }definitely taught me some stuff (somethings)." Interesting stuff, I might
}Well, {'op Dochmey} perhaps. Anyway, {vay'mey} didn't bother me
}as much as {mu-} used as the prefix for "You taught me".
Oops. Gotta learn to read the English.
}Yeah, before the less extreme beginners give you new meaning for
}the term "extreme", as in "new angles that your major joints can
}acquire, particularly, the neck, once wrung."
Mind you, a scale has two extremes.
Qov [email protected]
Beginners' Grammarian