tlhIngan-Hol Archive: Fri Feb 13 15:25:26 1998
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Re: KLBC: Re: qechmey vIHutlh
- From: "William H. Martin" <[email protected]>
- Subject: Re: KLBC: Re: qechmey vIHutlh
- Date: Fri, 13 Feb 1998 18:25:37 -0500 (Eastern Standard Time)
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On Wed, 11 Feb 1998 13:44:38 -0800 (PST) Christiane Scharf
<[email protected]> wrote:
> ghItlh Qov :
>
> > At 12:33 98-02-08 -0800, HovqIj wrote:
> >
> > }HIpIch! <chay' "We tell each other a story" vImugh?> jItlhob 'ach qay'
> > {-'egh}
> > }{-chuq} je 'e' vIlIj. ('e' again... I just can't live without it.)
> >
> > It isn't something you can say in Klingon in so many words. As far as we
> > know, a Klingon verb can have a reflexive object or a non-reflexive one, not
> > both.
While I agree that it requires more words, I will offer how I'd
say it:
lut qajatlh 'ej lut chojatlh.
When you say, "We tell each other a story," there are really two
stories involved, right? I tell you one and you tell me one. You
can figure that the English is rather idiomatic, so it will
require a bit of care to translate well. I chose {jatlh} instead
of {ja'} because we have been told by Okrand that the object of
{jatlh} is the thing said. Not the words said, the THING said,
"thing" being something like a speech or address. Rather than
paraphrase, I'll quote from MSN:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
The object of jatlh "speak" is that which is spoken. Thus,
it's OK to say "speak a language," for example:
tlhIngan Hol Dajatlh "you speak Klingon"
(tlhIngan Hol "Klingon language," Dajatlh "you speak it")
But it's also OK to say "speak an address, speak a lecture," for example:
SoQ Dajatlh "you speak an address" or, more colloquially, "you deliver an address" or "you make a speech"
(SoQ "speech, lecture, address," Dajatlh "you speak it")
To say simply:
jatlh "he/she speaks"
implies "he/she speaks it," where "it" is a language or a lecture or
whatever.
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While we say, "tell a story", I suspect in Klingon the verb
would be {jatlh}.
> HovqIj
charghwI'