tlhIngan-Hol Archive: Wed Feb 11 00:29:50 1998
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Re: KLBC: Re: qechmey vIHutlh
- From: Qov <[email protected]>
- Subject: Re: KLBC: Re: qechmey vIHutlh
- Date: Wed, 11 Feb 1998 00:28:37 -0800
At 12:33 98-02-08 -0800, HovqIj wrote:
}HIpIch! <chay' "We tell each other a story" vImugh?> jItlhob 'ach qay'
{-'egh}
}{-chuq} je 'e' vIlIj. ('e' again... I just can't live without it.)
It isn't something you can say in Klingon in so many words. As far as we
know, a Klingon verb can have a reflexive object or a non-reflexive one, not
both.
It's fine to use {'e'}, just make sure you have the correct prefixes,
subjects and objects.
}> }> DIvI' HolvaD ghItlhvam vImughpu'be'. vaj vImughchoH
}>
}> I'd put the {-be'} on the verb, not the aspect. I just find it hard to
}> interpret on the aspect.
}>
}I like it on the aspect. But I'm not a linguist. I'll trust you that it's
}confusing. (In Klingon this would be {'e'} again! mISmoH 'e' qavoq. This is
not
}just a bad style I have - see? - when writing Klingon. I do it in all
languages
}all the time. I think it's impossible to rescue me.)
Again, using {'e'} is not inherently bad. Using {'e' vIQub} or {'e' vIHar}
whern the meaning is conveyed by the {-law'} suffix is inefficient, and
doing what you just did, using a verb prefix after the {'e'} but implying an
object other than third person singular is ungrammatical. Understand that
{'e'} is the object of the verb, and the prefix must show this. You could
say: {mISmoH bIjatlhmo' qavoq}.
}> Here are some to start you off:
}>
}> We understand that the fools sabotaged the life support system.
}yIntagh luSorgh qoHpu' 'e' wIyaj.
majQa'.
}> They acted quickly so we wouldn't notice them.
}DItu'be'meH nom vang.
bIqarqa'.
}> In order to fix it we have to dissassemble the forward gas vent.
}wItI'meH SIp yIb 'et wIlaghnIS.
I've caught you on a double noun-noun. Or we understand different things by
"forward gas vent."
{SIp yIb 'et} is the fore of the gas vent, the gas vent's fore.
{'et SIp yIb} is the gas vent of the fore, the fore's gas vent.
My non-Klingon-speaking (as much as anyone can live in a house with me and
be non-Klingon-speaking) observer says that he too would interpret "forward
gas vent" as the gas vent of the fore.
}(maybe {nIn} instead of {SIp}? I'm not quite sure what a "gas vent" is.)
I was thinking {SIp}, but would, of course, have taken either. I have no
idea what it is, was writing technobabble.
}wa' mu'tlhegh vIchel:
}pab vIghojmeH jIqeqnIS 'e' vISov.
majQa'. yIbIj'eghQo'. bIghojbejlI'. DaH bIyajqu'law'mo' jIHem jIH.
Qov [email protected]
Beginners' Grammarian