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Re: Fw: walls




> > Do I have to believe you are right or do we have canon either way?
> 
> I don't know the canon for sure... Hope voragh can help us out 
> there. And you don't have to believe I'm right. It's just the 
jIqID neH. :-)

> That's where your perspective differs from mine. You see 
> noun-noun as elemental. I see it as molecular.
> 
thinking about it a little more... 
I see the first noun (phrase) as a modifier to the second.
but whether the number in {# N N} is part of the first noun phrase
or just another modifier to the second is ambiguous. (fine with me)

> Hmmm. Thinking more on it, I guess these different kinds of noun 
> phrases can act as elements in each other.
> 
wa' DoS wIqIp.

> Number + noun + adjective seems most elemental to me. I would 
> not break up a number from the noun it is applied to. I would 

..or noun phrase... and there's where I look at it differently
I guess.

> A black targ's bone:
> 
> targh qIj Hom
> 
> I'd never say it as {targh Hom qIj}. That would mean a targ's 
> black bone.
> 
jIQochbe'

> Meanwhile, if I mean a targ's black bone, I'd say:
> 
> targh qIjbogh Hom
> 
> I would not say:
> 
> qIjbogh targh Hom
> 
> See?
> 
jIyajchu' 'ej jIQochbe'qa'

> to {raQ'e' Dabbogh qama' cha'} vs {cha' raQ'e' Dabbogh qamapu'}.
> 
quite right, of course

> Basically, I consider where the rest of the noun phrase is 
> functioning. For me, the number two is applied to camps, not to 
> prisoners and placing it before the word {qama'} is applying it 
> to the word for prisoners. Each noun in a noun-noun can be a 
> noun phrase, so I don't have a problem with placing the number 
> between the nouns.
>  
I don't really have aproblem with it, it just never occurred to
me to do it that way.

probably, both ways are acceptable, depending on whether
the speaker considers the N-N phrase to be a strong unit
that she doesn't want to break apart or whether she wants
to emphasize the unit #+N...

chaqun a son gout..

                                           Marc Ruehlaender
                                           aka HomDoq
                                           [email protected]



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