tlhIngan-Hol Archive: Tue Dec 01 07:55:55 1998
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Re: rut tlhIHDaq jI'IjlaHbe'
- From: Steven Boozer <[email protected]>
- Subject: Re: rut tlhIHDaq jI'IjlaHbe'
- Date: Tue, 01 Dec 1998 09:52:46 -0600
- In-Reply-To: <l03020906b289264d960b@[205.139.170.223]>
: ja' peHruS:
: >qaStaHvIS poH nI' Dochmey ngu'laHbe' mu'mey {qIm} {jeS} je
: >nIteb jISuvpu' 'ej Dochmey ngu'laH bIH 'e' vImaq
:
: >nuvpu' 'IjlaH latlh nuvpu' 'e' vImaq
:
: What evidence do you offer that {qIm} and {jeS} and now {'Ij} can be
: used transitively? Why do you *want* to use them transitively? What
: do you gain from this interpretation? I don't understand either your
: reason or your reasoning.
:
: -- ghunchu'wI'
qIm "pay attention"
qImHa' "disregard"
HeDaj yIqIm!
Track her course! ST5
yIqIm, yIbuS!
Pay attention and concentrate! CK
qIm tera'ngan
Attention Earther! (KCD bumper sticker)
jIqIm
I pay attention. KGT
jeS "participate"
This only appears in the unconfirmed Star Trek: The Experience communique of
11/97, which *may* have been (loosely) translated by Okrand:
laS veghaS HIltonDaq Hov leng: yIjeSchu' qaSchoHmo', bIlopqu'meH
HIlton yIghoS
Come celebrate the grand opening of Star Trek: The Experience at
the Las Vegas Hilton. STX
tera' vatlh DIS poH cha'maH loS bIyIn jeSlaHpa' Hoch
Be the first to journey to the 24th century. STX
'Ij "listen"
jI'Ij
I listen. (STC Klingon Lesson)
FYI here's the canon on {Qoy} "hear" to compare:
HIQoymoH
Let me hear (something). TKD
"More revealingly, this sentence could be translated 'cause me to hear
(something)'. Note that this sentence would not be used in asking permission
to hear; it is a direct command." (TKD p.38)
'IwlIj ghogh yIQoy
Listen to the voice of your blood. TKW
"The verb {Qoy} means hear, not just listen. One must actually perceive
and understand that which is being said." (TKW p.31)
jach SuvwI' 'e' yIQoy
Hear the warrior cry out! TKW
Qoy qeylIS puqloD. Qoy puqbe'pu'.
Hear! Sons of Kahless. Hear! Daughters too. (Anthem)
qaQoy
I hear you. (STC Klingon Lesson)
On the difference between {'Ij} vs. {Qoy}, SuStel once wrote on this List:
"I tend to believe that Okrand uses {Qoy} when using an object, and
{'Ij} if he's not. That's why he uses {'IwlIj ghogh yIQoy} for 'Listen
to the voice of your blood.' His reasoning about the difference between
'hear' and 'listen' seems a little backwards, though."
Sounds plausible but, except for the one brief example on the Star Trek:
Continuum site, Okrand has never used {'Ij} -- and certainly never in a
sentence with any context. Until we get more data, this theory must remain
unproven.
Note, however, that in the Anthem, {Qoy} does not seem to take an object,
or at
least, not an explicit one. There may be an unstated object "it", i.e. the
following song. Then again, it may be a clipped {HIQoy} "Hear me!". It's
hard
to tell with poetry.
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Voragh "Grammatici certant et adhuc sub judice
Ca'Non Master of the Klingons lis est." Horace (Ars Poetica)