tlhIngan-Hol Archive: Wed Apr 08 18:09:14 1998
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Re: tis the season KLBC
- From: Qov <[email protected]>
- Subject: Re: tis the season KLBC
- Date: Wed, 08 Apr 1998 18:06:48 -0700
At 15:43 98-04-08 -0700, ghunchu'wI' wrote:
}ja' Qov:
}>> peplu'pu' (He is risen.) and peplu'chu'pu' (Indeed, risen.)
}>
}>{-lu'} indicates an indefinite subject, not simply one that you
}>haven't explicitly stated. It isn't appropriate here. I'm not sure
}>what your logic was. The {-lu'} conveys a meaning like "one is
}>risen" or "rising has occured."
}
}{pep} is "raise", not "rise". {peplu'} "one raises him" is okay by me.
Yeah, I blew it here. I misremembered the subject of {pep}. rut jIQIp 'e'
yIchaw'. I hope I didn't confuse anyone too much.
}I'm not as sure as Qov is about {-ta'} vs. {-pu'} here. {-ta'} seems
}to focus more on the volition than I think is necessary. The idea as
}I understand it is merely that he was dead and now he isn't anymore,
}though I guess whether or not that happened intentionally does have at
}least *some* importance in the scheme of things.
That's usualy the side of the argument I take. I quite agree that {-pu'}
can apply to intentional and unintentional completion. We'll let the
original poster decide whether the English statement means "he said he was
going to, and he accomplished it" or simply that the action is complete.
}I agree completely that {-bej} carries the "indeed" idea better than
}{-chu'} does.
Qov [email protected]
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