tlhIngan-Hol Archive: Thu Oct 24 11:42:20 1996
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Re: Par'Mach is a Canonical
- From: [email protected] (Alan Anderson)
- Subject: Re: Par'Mach is a Canonical
- Date: Thu, 24 Oct 96 12:17:00 EST
I wrote:
> >> Like it or
> >>not, tlhIngan Hol as a real constructed language exists with or
> >>without Star Trek to support it -- or to interfere with it, as
> >>the case may be.
Joel Anderson wrote:
> >Well, no, it doesn't.
I wrote:
> vuDvam yIQIj. (Explain this opinion!_
Joel Anderson writes:
>ghobe'. ngoD 'oH. (No. It is a fact.)
wejpuH. vuD Dajatlhqa'pu' neH. yIQIjqu'!
qaQIjmoHmeH monglIj vI'uchnIS'a' 'ej qavoQ 'e' vIbuQnIS'a'?
I wrote:
> qatlh Holna' rurbe' tlhIngan Hol? (Why doesn't Klingon resemble a
real language?)
mu'meywIj DamughHa'pu'. "Klingon" vIjatlh 'e' vIHechbe'.
reH <tlhIngan Hol> vIqelta'. DIvI' Hol mu'meywIj tInuDqa'.
Joel Anderson writes:
>Dochvam vIjatlhbe' (I didn't say THAT)
"Well, no, it doesn't" Daja'. nuq ta'be' nuq?
mu'meyvam vIyajmeH DaQIjnIS!
I wrote:
> chay' "Star Trek" wuv tlhIngan Hol? (How does tlhIngan Hol depend
on Star Trek?)
Joel Anderson writes:
>qatlh tlhIngan Hol ghoj ghotpu'? "Star Trek"
>(why do people study Klingon?"Star Trek" )
chaq motlh meqvetlh, 'ach mobbe'.
tlhIngan mu'ghom vISuq "Star Trek" vIparHa'mo'.
ghaytan vIneHbe' "Star Trek" vIqelbe'taHchugh.
'ach vIlaDDI', Holmo' jIngotlhchoH.
"Star Trek"-mo' vIlaD 'ach nIteb muHaDmoHbe'bej "Star Trek".
tera'nganpu'vaD Hujlaw' tlhIngan Hol. motlhbe' pab.
yabwIj SIH tlhIngan Hol.
tlhIngan Hol vIHaDtaHmo' latlh Hol vIyajchoH.
tlhIngan Hol vIqeltaHvIS ram "Star Trek".
>'Iv tlhIngan paqmey ngev? "Star Trek"
>(who sells Klingon books? "Star Trek" aka Paramount)
latlhmey lutu'lu' je.
KLI yIlIjQo'! jatmey, wot mojaq DevwI', Hamlet ngev.
HolQeD ngev je KLI.
ILS yIqaw je! SuvwI' Hol 'aH law' ngev.
"Star Trek" wuvbe'qu' tlhIngan Hol.
>'Iv tlhIngan Qujmey ngev? "Star Trek"
>(who sells Klingon games? "Star Trek" aka Paramount)
tlhIngan Hol Quj'e' ngevbogh "Paramount" vIleghpu'be'.
cha' tlhIngan Hol Quj neH vItu'pu': <pegh mu'> "Scrabble" je.
Quj Daqelbogh DaponglaH'a'?
>Constructed languages draw from a community of interest that
>use/study/extend the language for some REASON. World peace, or
>participation in a special kind of community, getting a chance to
>flesh out an imaginary world. While there is a diverse community of
>people interested in tlhIngan Hol, the overriding *DRAW* is the milieu
>of a science fiction environment, namely Star Trek. Were the "Star
>Trek" association somehow removed from tlhIngan Hol it would no
>doubt persist - but not to the degree it does today.
ghoj HaDwI' 'ar? jatlh ghojwI' 'ar? potlhbe' mI'. taHbej Hol.
DaH maQochbe'law' -- "Star Trek" 'ay' 'oHbe' tlhIngan Hol'e'.
>I certainly believe tlhIngan is a real language - as I tell people
>"it is as real as Disneyland", which usually gets a laugh, but
>the point is - "just because something is made up, doesn't mean
>it isn't real".
maQochbe'qa'law' -- Holna' 'oH tlhIngan Hol'e'.
DaH jImIS. "Well, no, it doesn't" Daja'DI', nuq DaHech jay'?
>[As amusing as the "SKI" tag may be, in a world where real impairment
>is a serious issue, I'll bet some people may not find it funny.
Hu'tegh. batlh majatlh. pagh tIchba' "SKI".
jIH muche' <woQqoq lughqangghach> jay'!
>Why
>not just be polite and provide a translation and leave it at that?]
jImugh vIneHchugh, jImughlaHbej.
rut jImugh vIneHbe', 'ach yajbe'wI'pu'vaD qechwIj vI'angqang.
vaj DIvI' Hol mu'mey puS vImojmoH tlhIngan Hol mu'mey law'.
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SKI: We seem to be mostly in agreement, so I still don't know what was
meant by the original "Well, no, it doesn't" comment. And the "S" in
"SKI" stands for "summary", not "translation".
-- ghunchu'wI' --------------------------
QaplaH net HarlaH pagh QaplaH net HonlaH.
ghaytan lugh HarwI', 'ach lughbej HonwI'.
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