tlhIngan-Hol Archive: Wed Oct 09 09:34:02 1996
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Re: virtus vera nobilitas (again)
- From: "Mark E. Shoulson" <[email protected]>
- Subject: Re: virtus vera nobilitas (again)
- Date: Wed, 9 Oct 1996 12:33:59 -0400 (EDT)
- In-reply-to: <[email protected]>(message from Admiral Jota on Tue, 8 Oct 1996 13:03:20 -0700)
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>Date: Tue, 8 Oct 1996 13:03:20 -0700
>From: Admiral Jota <[email protected]>
>On Tue, 8 Oct 1996 Roger Cheesbro <[email protected]> wrote:
>> I originally did not include the English translation hoping for a response
>> from the Latin speaking community, someone that could give a translation
>> from the 'original' Latin, so as to not lose anything in translating a
>> translation (did I lose anyone in that sentance?).
>[...]
>> <virtus vera nobilitas> = <virtue is true nobility>
>> one of the gravestones even wrote it as <Virtue is true greatness>
>> (A saying that could apply to a Klingon's honor)
>Since I haven't seen any other responses, and since I do know a
>smattering of Latin, I'd like to take a stab at this. Take what I say
>with a grain of salt; I am a new student to Klingon.
><virtus vera nobilitas> -> <chuQun teH 'oH toDuj'e'>
>I think that <chuQun> fits the Latin <virtus> much better than the
>weak English word <virtue> does. I'm not really very satisfied with <teH>
>though. I think that <teH> means to be true in the sense of being
>correct, or accurate -- whereas <vera> is in the sense of being real, or
>actual. Perhaps a better translation might be <chuQun 'oHbej toDuj'e'>
>or <chuQun 'oHchu' toDuj'e'>.
>What do the experts think?
You're right that "teH" isn't really what you need, but this is a great
place to use "-na'." That's just what it's for.
The problem I have is that I (for some reason) always read "chuQun" as
"nobles, people who are highly born," in a collective. Stranger still, I
never even questioned that reading, even though it's quite unusual for a
Klingon word (there aren't all that many collectives in Klingon, and
nobility doesn't seem to be one they'd need). I think I even used it in
Jonah.
Can't answer this one. Insufficient authority to rule on vocabulary
disputes like this.
~mark
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