tlhIngan-Hol Archive: Wed Jun 05 17:45:11 1996
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Re: "under" (was KLBC:Name that Song)
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>Date: Mon, 3 Jun 1996 22:19:03 -0700
>From: [email protected]
>In a message dated 96-06-01 03:03:23 EDT, you write:
The mysterious "you" strikes again...
>>But in my sentence, it was not an object. There -was- no object, the main
>>part of the sentence was just {jIyIn}: "I live." The rock's below-area was
>>where the action is taking place, and thus took the {-Daq}.
>Continuing my previous post: TKD p28 states "There are a few verbs whose
>meanings include locative motions, such as {ghoS} 'approach, proceed.' The
>locative suffix need not be used on nouns whicha re the objects (Note that
>word objects) of such verbs."
>This raises the possibility that the other Type 5 Noun Suffixes {-vo'},
>{-mo'} and {-vaD} also mark Objects, to the Klingon grammarian, that is.
Since you ask...
I don't think this implies anything we don't already know and haven't
already done: verbs whose meanings include locative meanings may take their
locatives as their objects (with no type5 markers) (I say "may" because
even if they CAN do it that way, I see no reason why they can't take no
object and take their locative in the same was as other verbs do). Just
like "Da" means "behave *as*" and there's no need for a putative "as"
suffix/preposition in Klingon, "ghoS" means "approach/go *to*" so you can
say "Hov vIghoS" (note that I am accepting what others said, in
contradiction to an earlier position I took that the object of ghoS must be
the route chosen---though I note it also means "follow a course", so it CAN
be the route as well). You can ALSO say "HovDaq jIghoS", using the "ghoS"
verb with no object (as is permitted) and the usual adverbiallized locative
noun.
I don't think I've said anything new here.
~mark
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