tlhIngan-Hol Archive: Sun Jun 02 19:33:50 1996
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Re: "under" (was KLBC:Name that Song)
- From: "Mark E. Shoulson" <[email protected]>
- Subject: Re: "under" (was KLBC:Name that Song)
- Date: Sun, 2 Jun 1996 22:31:06 -0400 (EDT)
- In-reply-to: <[email protected]> (message fromSteven Boozer on Fri, 31 May 1996 23:38:26 -0700)
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>Date: Fri, 31 May 1996 23:38:26 -0700
>From: Steven Boozer <[email protected]>
>>At 05:42 AM 5/26/96 -0700, ghunchu'wI' wrote:
>>>voqHa'wI' writes:
>>>>> You understand "in"; now try "under". :]
>>>>
>>>> nagh bIngDaq vIyIn.
>>>
>>>"I live it in/at a rock's below-area."
>>>It's close. You got the "under a rock" meaning okay, but the verb
>>>prefix ought to be {jI-} since there is no object in the sentence.
>>
>>Isn't "a rock's below-area" an object.
>>
>>beHwI"av
>{nagh bIngDaq} is an adverbial phrase. Substitute another adverb to see
>how it works:
> nIteb jIyIn I live alone.
> naDev jIyIn I live here.
> pa' jIyIn I live over there.
>Hmmm... wait a minute. {pa'} and {naDev} are NOUNS in Klingon, not
>"adverbials" (which according to TKD 5.4 "describe the manner of the
>activity"). The adverbials listed are adverbs of manner or time, not place
>(like "here", "there" and "everywhere" in English) or conjunctions (like
>{vaj}).
I consider "naDev" and "pa'" to be nouns which are "stuck" in locative
mode. They have an invisible "-Daq" stuck to them which never comes off.
So they behave like "-Daq"ed nouns, which act like adverbs (in English,
too, a prepositional phrase, in many senses, is really like a multi-word
adverb). So they wouldn't be objects.
~mark
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