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Re: More on "Which?"



In a message dated 95-06-23 03:50:46 EDT, peHruS writes:

>targhmey nuq targh Daje' DaneH
>= Which targ are you going to buy?

As in, "what targ of the targs".  A couple of points.  We have NO IDEA how to
indicate a partitive sense in Klingon.  This was one of the points of my
article in HolQeD 3:3 and 3:4.  Perhaps it will turn out that this is how we
convey a partitive, but we just don't know.

This issue aside, we continue...

>Here we see redundancy being employed to indicate the question:  which?  In
>that Klingons have a tendency to "clip" almost as much as they can get away
>with, <targhmey> will often get dropped, leaving:
>
>nuq targh Daj' DaneH

The process of clipping isn't really described very thouroughly.  But every
example that Okrand discusses in section 7 involves the clipping of a verbal
prefix.  There's no mention, explicitly or in the examples, of either noun or
verb suffixes, much less a component of a complex construction like a N-N.
 There are those like Nick who favor "zero anaphora", and the language seems
to support this, but I wonder whether this can be extended into a complex
construction like N-N.  My first reaction is "ghobe'".

That said...

>Is this going to cause problems?  Now we have a noun-noun construct <nuq
>targh>.  Does this mean "targ of what" or "what targ," quite literally in
>that order.  

I admit I haven't been following this discussion very closely, although I've
been aware of it.  I realize that in English we make a distinction between
WH-proforms for full NPs ("what") and for partial NPs ("what targ").  Why do
we want to assume that Klingon does the same?  In what sense is /nuq targh
Daje' DaneH/ unsuitable, critically ambiguous, or insufficient for the
intended meaning?  We make a distinction in English, we don't in Klingon.  It
happens.  It's not a problem.  

>bIQochchugh pagh bIQochbe'chugh pejang

qajangpu'neS.

>peHruS

--Holtej


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