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Re: ye and thee

I obviously missed another canonical reference.    This is why my post was
formed as a question: "Is it considered legal?"  I was simply surprised.
If I had been speaking authoritatively, I would have expected the sarcastic
tone of charghwI's reply . . .

\ > In this case, we have -chugh turning a sentence into an adverbial; 
\ 
\ You are the first person I've ever heard express this
\ grammatical construction in this way. {-chugh} turns a sentence
\ into an adverbial? 
That's how I think of -chugh, -taHvIS, et al.  It's not stated anywhere
explicitly.

\ > 	*"If you do not speak Klingon, so why do you remain here?"
\ 
\ "If you cannot speak Klingon, then why are you here?" 

I'm aware of the "then" gloss for "vaj".  I deliberately avoided it in my
recasting because it fails to make my point.  "vaj" is listed in TKD as an
adverbial, which matches the English "thus, so" more than it does "then",
which mostly appears as a conjunction, even though it is also used as
an adverbial.  In any case, the fact that vaj is an adverbial implies that it
goes at the beginning of a sentence. This would imply that {... -chugh vaj ...}
is really a two-sentence construction.  As such, it seems redundant, as either
a single sentence with a -chugh clause, or both sentences with "vaj" at the
beginning of the second, serves the intended purpose without the other. 

Thank you for pointing out the canonical examples I had missed.  Simply
doing so would have been sufficient, without the accusation that I think I
"speak Klingon better than Okrand".

I do not have access to much canon, certainly not in any electronically-
searchable form.  I know that others on the list do have ready access to such,
or at least have more of it cached in their brains, which is why I posted the
question.  I figured there was probably canon that I missed.  As I said,
my post was a simple request for information.  I was not accusing charghwI'
or Okrand.  When I said that {-chugh vaj} "felt wrong" to me, that was simply
an (obviously) subjective comment.  I was looking for something more concrete
on which to base an opinion one way or the other.

-marqoS

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