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Re: [Tlhingan-hol] FW: Nonsense words
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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body bgcolor=white lang=EN-CA link="#0563C1" vlink="#954F72"><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Perfect. That’s just what I was hoping: it’s the name of a *<b>particular</b>* month—in a particular culture on a particular planet. So I don’t have to disprove it.<br><br>Now if everyone, of any ability, would write me a few Klingon sentences whose English translation contains the word “month” or “season” we can retrain it. Don’t stretch yourself. Write within your ability. E-mail to me, include the English translation and then I will post the list for us to typo check.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>- Qov<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> Felix Malmenbeck [mailto:felixm@kth.se] <br><b>Sent:</b> February 24, 2015 15:19<br><br></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>> Maktag </span><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>>maqtagh: a klingon month or season (n) [From "New Ground" (TNG). At least 43 days long.]</span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p><span lang=EN-US style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>>Is anyone familiar enough with this TNG novel to know whether</span><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p><span lang=EN-US style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>> maqtagh was supposed to be a particular season, analogous</span><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p><span lang=EN-US style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>> perhaps to “monsoon” or “spring” or a generic word for a</span><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p><span lang=EN-US style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>> seasonal time period?</span><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>Not a novel, actually, but an episode.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>Alexander Rozhenko, son of Worf, was born on the 43rd day of Maktag. It's not specified if it's a month or a season.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>The book Excelsior: Forged in Fire treats it as a month.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>(It also treats Klingon years as being precisely the same length as Earth years, which flies in the face of Star Trek canon.)<o:p></o:p></span></p><p><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div class=MsoNormal align=center style='text-align:center'><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#212121'><hr size=2 width="98%" align=center></span></div><div id=divRplyFwdMsg><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'> Robyn Stewart <<a href="mailto:robyn@flyingstart.ca";>robyn@flyingstart.ca</a>><br><b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, February 25, 2015 00:07<br><b>To:</b> tlhIngan Hol mailing list<br><b>Subject:</b> [Tlhingan-hol] FW: Nonsense words</span><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#212121'> <o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#212121'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>From a conversation with my primary contact on the Microsoft Bing team. </span><span style='color:#212121'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>---</span><span style='color:#212121'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>I found this online (<a href="http://www.angelfire.com/md/startrekkie1701/klindic.html";>http://www.angelfire.com/md/startrekkie1701/klindic.html</a> -- careful, this site seems weird and may contain malware)</span><span style='color:#212121'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Maktag </span><span style='color:#212121'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>maqtagh: a klingon month or season (n) [From "New Ground" (TNG). At least 43 days long.]</span><span style='color:#212121'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><span style='color:#212121'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Somehow the wrong spelling of Maktag made it into a training text file, where I can see</span><span style='color:#212121'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><span style='color:#212121'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>maqtagh </span><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Wingdings;color:#1F497D'>à</span><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> month</span><span style='color:#212121'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>maqtagh </span><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Wingdings;color:#1F497D'>à</span><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> season</span><span style='color:#212121'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><span style='color:#212121'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>i.e. possibly someone originally found the site above and added words / sentences to one of the training files.</span><span style='color:#212121'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><span style='color:#212121'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>And so the engine learned that.</span><span style='color:#212121'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>We have to remove and retrain.</span><span style='color:#212121'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>We have an efficient way to change bad translation, but not a good way to ‘remove’ words or phrases altogether.. </span><span style='color:#212121'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>..what I can do easily (we do these once a week) is to replace the wrong translation from English to Klingon.</span><span style='color:#212121'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>i.e. “month” and “season” right now translate to “maqtagh”.. what would be a better translation for “season”?</span><span style='color:#212121'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>---<br></span><span lang=EN-US style='color:#1F497D'>Some well-meaning individual has managed to add Angelfire to our learning files, and like glitter in the carpet, it will be everywhere unless we can pick it out grain by grain. Is anyone familiar enough with this TNG novel to know whether maqtagh was supposed to be a particular season, analogous perhaps to “monsoon” or “spring” or a generic word for a seasonal time period? </span><span style='color:#212121'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>- Qov</span><span style='color:#212121'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></div></div></body></html>_______________________________________________
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