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Re: [Tlhingan-hol] Story - Out of order installments

Felix Malmenbeck (felixm@kth.se)



> We've done just fine for decades without relying on offhand remarks.

While I haven't been here for decades, I don't believe canon has ever been quite so binary as "This is good; this is not." People have pointed out flaws in canonical sources, half-considered movie quotes, tip-toed through EuroTalk and paq'batlh...
So much of what we do here is pure guesswork; I figure a hastily approved sentence is still better than nothing.

> TKD translates {Qoch} as "disagree," not as "disagree with."

I'm normally suspicious of glossaries, but either way I think that's actually an argument for using a sentence as an object (though it does sort of suggest that the subjects agree on what to disagree with).

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From: David Trimboli [david@trimboli.name]
Sent: Saturday, September 07, 2013 17:02
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Subject: Re: [Tlhingan-hol] Story - Out of order installments

On 9/7/2013 9:17 AM, Felix Malmenbeck wrote:
>> I don't want a napkin that Okrand nods at to be thought of as
>> carefully considered grammar.
>
> I would agree with this. However, my own thinking is that this is
> currently the closest thing we have to canon, and will therefore rely on
> it until it's been contradicted.

We've done just fine for decades without relying on offhand remarks.

>>TKD does not support saying it that way.
>
> How so?

TKD translates {Qoch} as "disagree," not as "disagree with." Some verbs
have since been redefined to include the English preposition (e.g.,
{qIm}), and it's quite possible that {Qoch} will be one of these, but we
mustn't be hasty in drawing that conclusion based on a passing,
otherwise undocumented, comment.

"Be careful" is the lesson to be learned here.

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SuStel
http://www.trimboli.name/

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