tlhIngan-Hol Archive: Sun Sep 01 07:46:22 2013
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Re: [Tlhingan-hol] Klingon Word of the Day: naj
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- Subject: Re: [Tlhingan-hol] Klingon Word of the Day: naj
- Date: Sun, 1 Sep 2013 10:46:01 -0400
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<div dir="ltr">jIjepHa'bejpu'! Actually you got much of it anyway.<div>Again without careless mistakes (any remaining mistakes are careful ones):<br><div><br><div>ngach Daj pIlmoHlaw' nab QaghmeywIj</div><div>'e' vIppIHbe' jInajtaHvIS je</div>
<div>maj</div><div>sughoHtaHjaj ej maHvaD QIjjaj matlh</div></div><div><br></div><div>{nab Qagh} /grammar error/ (A more experienced speaker's usage would avoid confusion where nouns and verbs are identical in form. Perhaps {nabwIj Qaghmey} /errors in my grammar/)</div>
<div><br></div><div>{'e' vIppIHbe' jInajtaHvIS je} /that (previous sentence) I didn't expect, while dreaming, too/ (I wanted to work the word of the day back into the thread, and fell back on a cliche, "not even in my dreams." I considered {neH} instead of {je}, but it seemed like that would mean my lack of expectation is restricted to dreams. Is it just me (you'll probably say it is, Qov) or is there a shortage of adverbials?</div>
<div><br></div><div>qama'pu' DISop'a'? 'ey'a' tlhejtaHvIS qetttlhup? (Actually {qama'pu' DISop 'e' chaw'} makes more sense: he/she permits us to eat, not to be able to eat.)</div>
<div>QIp chut 'e' Har Mr. Bumble. Ha'DIbaH nuq QIp law', Hoch QIp puS?</div><div><paqwIj Soppu' targh> jatlh puq. ghiq puq moq ghojmoHwI'. </div><div><br></div><div>~'eD</div></div></div>
<div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sun, Sep 1, 2013 at 3:15 AM, Robyn Stewart <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:[email protected]"; target="_blank">[email protected]</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div lang="EN-CA" link="blue" vlink="purple"><div><div><p class="MsoNormal">ngaj Daj pIlmoHlaw' nab QaghmeywIj<u></u><u></u></p>
<div><p class="MsoNormal">'e' vIpIHbe' jInajtaHvIS je<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">maj<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">SughoHtaHjaj 'ej maHvam QIjjaj matlh<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">Wow, I’m not getting any of that. <u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">short ... interesting ... inspire ... when I dreamed too, I didn’t expect my errors to plan. Fine. May you continue to argue and may matlh explain this us. <u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">Okay, I got the end, you meant maHvaD, not maHvam, so “to us.”<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"><u></u> <u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">
The need exists to express the gist of what someone said without quoting. Perhaps it's too long to quote, or the actual words are not known with certainty, but the intended meaning is clear. Klingons value exactness and brevity, and don't want to waste time or misquote someone. An indirect quote allows one to get across what was said without implying that it's an exact quote. A backdoor way might be something like {jatlh la'. qama'pu' neH la'} or for that matter {qama' DIjon 'e' ra' la'}.<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">Right, use a non verb of saying, don’t try to say what they said, just what the effect was. <u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">HeghnIS Hoch romuluSngan ‘e’ maq.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">qama’pu’ DISoplaH ‘e’ chaw’.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">QIp chut ‘e’ Har.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="IT" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">paqDaj Soppu’ targh ‘e’ QIj puq.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="IT" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"><u></u> <u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">The conversation Felix quoted seems to leave the issue open. I wouldn't bet too heavily against Maltz either way.<u></u><u></u></p>
</div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><div><p class="MsoNormal">~'eD<span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888"><br><br>-- <br>My modeling blog: <a href="http://bellerophon-modeler.blogspot.com/"; target="_blank">http://bellerophon-modeler.blogspot.com/</a><br>
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