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Re: [Tlhingan-hol] Klingon Word of the Day: maghwI'

Steven Boozer (sboozer@uchicago.edu)



Voragh:
>>> [KWOTD: maghwI' traitor (n)][] 
>>
>> 'urwI'  traitor (n) [difference from {maghwI'} unknown]
>> magh    betray, act against (S26) (v)
>> 'ur     commit treason (v)

De'vID: 
> Surely the difference is that a {maghwI'} is a "traitor (betrayer)",
> whereas an {'urwI'} is a "traitor (one who commits treason)". The former
> leaves open who or what has been betrayed, whereas the latter specifies
> that it is a ruler, state, or other political entity (someone or something
> the betrayal of whom or which constitutes treason).
> 
> The fact that the English glosses are identical obscures this difference,
> but it's clear in the Klingon.

That's pretty much what I imagine, though I don't like relying just on the English gloss for {'ur}.  We do have examples for {magh} are:

  <numagh>
  [They've betrayed us. (Untranslated)] ST6

  ngoQvam luchavmeH ghawran maghpu' be'nI'pu'
  To this end, the sisters have acted against Gowron...
  in order to gain power. S26

  wo' Damagh 'ej bIHegh 
  Die betraying the Empire. MKE

Another difference that strikes me - again based on the gloss - is that {"ur} "commit treason" may not take an object whereas {magh} "betray" does, but we'll have to wait for more examples to be certain.  Are there any in the {paq'batlh}?


--
Voragh
Ca'Non Master of the Klingons



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