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Re: [Tlhingan-hol] "Happy Thanksgiving"?

Felix Malmenbeck (felixm@kth.se)



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<div style="direction: ltr;font-family: Tahoma;color: #000000;font-size: 10pt;">Canon seems to use burn to mean both &quot;be burning&quot; and &quot;cause to be burning&quot;.<br>
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meQtaHbogh qachDaq Suv qoH neH.<br>
&quot;Only a fool fights in a burning house.&quot; (TKW)<br>
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to'waQ meQ vutwI'.<br>
&quot;The cook burns the tendon.&quot; (KGT)<br>
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However, the latter seems to be the rare exception. Perhaps even an error?<br>
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More examples from paq'batlh:<br>
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== paq'yav, Canto 4, Stanza 9: ==<br>
Dogh ghaH 'e' Sov moratlh<br>
'etlh DoQDI'<br>
meQchu'pu' che'rupbogh**<br>
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Morath knows he has been a fool,<br>
His promised kingdom will be ash<br>
By the time he claims the sword.<br>
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[**I'll have to check if I've transcribed this correctly. If I have, the last sentence would appear to be one of the rare examples of a headless relative clause.]<br>
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== paq'yav, Canto 12, Stanzas 2 &amp; 4 ==<br>
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jIbDaj lumeQmoH<br>
jIbDajlumeQmoH<br>
qul bIQtIq qulHommey<br>
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[...]<br>
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jIbDaj lumeQmoH<br>
'ej bejtaHvIS<br>
baS moj jIb<br>
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I don't have the English text handy, but basically, the sparks from the river of fire burn Kahless hair, and he watches it turn to metal.<br>
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== paq'raD, Canto 7, Stanza 5 ==<br>
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qeylIS Qaw' 'e' nIDmeH<br>
yerDaj weH molor<br>
'ej juH qachDaj meQmoH<br>
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Again, don't have the English text here, but:<br>
In order to destroy Kahless, Molor had raided his lands and burnt his home.<br>
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== paq'raD, Canto 13, Stanza 10 ==<br>
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lujang meQboghnom 'oH<br>
yeqchuqchu'taHghach<br>
Daw' je joqwI'<br>
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They reply it is the meQboghnom*<br>
The banner of unity<br>
and revolution<br>
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I'm not sure who wrote the footnotes (I believe it was Floris Schönfeld), but it reads as follows:<br>
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<font size="2"><font size="1"><font size="2">* </font><span lang="en-US"><span style="font-size:12pt;">Kahless's meQboghnom, a name comprised from the roots &quot;burn&quot; (meQ), &quot;to be born&quot; (bogh) and &quot;fast&quot; (nom) expresses his revolutionary intentions.</span></span></font><br>
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<div style="direction: ltr;" id="divRpF989729"><font size="2" color="#000000" face="Tahoma"><b>From:</b> Bellerophon, modeler [bellerophon.modeler@gmail.com]<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, November 27, 2013 19:45<br>
<b>To:</b> tlhingan-hol@kli.org<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Tlhingan-hol] &quot;Happy Thanksgiving&quot;?<br>
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&nbsp; Ha'DIbaHmey meQ Sop 'e' [lu]tIv tera'nganpu'<br>
&nbsp; Terrans enjoy eating burnt animals. CK<br>
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<div>CK is canon, so {meQ} can mean &quot;be burnt&quot; in addition to the TDK definition &quot;burn,&quot; which itself doesn't make usage clear: is /they burn meat/ {?Ha'DIbaH meQ} or {?Ha'DIbaH meQmoH}? The latter is more consistent with this example from CK.</div>
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<div>How would one say in Klingon &quot;I shall try some of your burned replicated bird meat.&quot; Is there any word for &quot;replicate?&quot; Perhaps {vaq}?</div>
<div>~'eD</div>
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