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Re: [Tlhingan-hol] new Klingon [SPOILER]

David Holt (kenjutsuka@live.com)



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<body class='hmmessage'><div dir='ltr'><span style="color: rgb(68, 68, 68); font-size: 15px; line-height: 21px;">I first heard &lt;ghojmo&gt; and assumed it was &lt;ghojmoH&gt;. &nbsp;On second hearing I decided it sounded more like &lt;ghoSmo&gt;. &nbsp;Though I can hear the &lt;m&gt; sound at the beginning I don't think it is intended to be a syllable, but rather that she closed her mouth and then started the voicing before actually forming the &lt;gh&gt;. &nbsp;So opening her lips with voicing already started made it sound like &lt;mu-&gt;.</span><div style="line-height: 21px; color: rgb(68, 68, 68); font-size: 15px;"><br></div><div style="line-height: 21px; color: rgb(68, 68, 68); font-size: 15px;">Hopefully it will be clearer when she says it in the movie.</div><div style="line-height: 21px; color: rgb(68, 68, 68); font-size: 15px;"><br></div><div style="line-height: 21px; color: rgb(68, 68, 68); font-size: 15px;">janSIy</div><br><div><div id="SkyDrivePlaceholder"></div><hr id="stopSpelling">From: qeslagh@hotmail.com<br>To: tlhingan-hol@kli.org<br>Date: Sun, 5 May 2013 03:22:20 +1000<br>Subject: Re: [Tlhingan-hol] new Klingon [SPOILER]<br><br>

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<div dir="ltr">ghItlhpu' De'vID, jatlh:<br>&gt; wa' tlhIngan mu' jatlh 'e' DaQoylaH:<br><div>&gt; https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yWCEpu2P6IU<br><br>vIjangpu' jIH, jIjatlh:<br>&gt; Doj - tlhoS jatlhchu'. ghay rur Hay Qav, 'ach {mughojmoH} 'oHba'. DaH<br>&gt; jIboHqu'choH!<br><br>jang je SuStel, jatlh:<br>&gt; Dojbe'. I hear "noshmon" spoken as if it were French.<br><br>The vowel nasality I'm willing to concede, though both English and Klingon can be spoken with vowel nasality as a non-contrastive feature so I consider it acceptable leeway here, especially since there are two nasal consonants within the word. I'll also concede that the sibilant before the /m/ in the ultima is probably /S/ rather than /j/, which would make what I heard {mughoSmoH} "it sends me, they send me". The voicing of the remainder of the word made it sound to me as though it were voiced also, but I've just run it through a spectrograph and there is indeed neither an affrication nor voicing there (I wonder if I misheard the stridency of the high frequencies of /S/ as representing the affricate burst of /j/). I'll gladly lay the blame on my inexperienced ears; after all, the word could just as easily be {mughoSmoH}.<br><br>But with respect, you've misheard the first consonant: it is /m/ and the accompanying visual shows clear bilabial involvement. Also, though the articulation is relatively rapid, three syllables are definitely present - there's a soft but audible voiced dorsal (a velar or an untrilled uvular) midway through what you've heard as the first /o/ and it's visible on the spectrogram too. But lip-rounding is also continuously present from immediately after the /m/ through to the sibilant gesture, consistent with two rounded vowels /-ugho-/.<br><br>QeS<br></div> 		 	   		  </div>
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