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[Tlhingan-hol] -Qo', -neS, -taHvIS

Fiat Knox (fiat_knox@yahoo.co.uk)



<html><body><div style="color:#000; background-color:#fff; font-family:garamond, new york, times, serif;font-size:12pt"><div><span>TKD, 4.3. "Rovers":-</span></div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 16px; font-family: garamond,new york,times,serif; background-color: transparent; font-style: normal;"><br><span></span></div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 16px; font-family: garamond,new york,times,serif; background-color: transparent; font-style: normal;"><span>"Unlike -be', the position of -Qo' does not change: it occurs last, unless followed by a Type 9 suffix."</span></div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 16px; font-family: garamond,new york,times,serif; background-color: transparent; font-style: normal;"><br><span></span></div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 16px; font-family: garamond,new york,times,serif; background-color: transparent; font-style: normal;"><span>-vIS is a Type 9 suffix.</span></div><div
 style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 16px; font-family: garamond,new york,times,serif; background-color: transparent; font-style: normal;"><br><span></span></div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 16px; font-family: garamond,new york,times,serif; background-color: transparent; font-style: normal;"><br></div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 16px; font-family: garamond,new york,times,serif; background-color: transparent; font-style: normal;"><span>TKD, 4.2.9. "Type 9: syntactic markers, under -vIS":-</span></div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 16px; font-family: garamond,new york,times,serif; background-color: transparent; font-style: normal;"><br></div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 16px; font-family: garamond,new york,times,serif; background-color: transparent; font-style: normal;">"This suffix is always used along with the Type 7 suffix -taH continuous."</div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size:
 16px; font-family: garamond,new york,times,serif; background-color: transparent; font-style: normal;"><br></div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 16px; font-family: garamond,new york,times,serif; background-color: transparent; font-style: normal;">This is interesting ... does this mean that "while she continues to refuse to drink the tea" can be parsed as</div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 16px; font-family: garamond,new york,times,serif; background-color: transparent; font-style: normal;"><br></div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 16px; font-family: garamond,new york,times,serif; background-color: transparent; font-style: normal;">{Dargh tlhutlhtaHQo'vIS}</div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 16px; font-family: garamond,new york,times,serif; background-color: transparent; font-style: normal;"><br></div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 16px; font-family: garamond,new york,times,serif;
 background-color: transparent; font-style: normal;">accordingly?</div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 16px; font-family: garamond,new york,times,serif; background-color: transparent; font-style: normal;"><br></div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 16px; font-family: garamond,new york,times,serif; background-color: transparent; font-style: normal;">Further, can anyone think of an instance where -neS honorific has to be used at the same time as the -taH and -vIS suffixes, as in<br></div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 16px; font-family: garamond,new york,times,serif; background-color: transparent; font-style: normal;"><br></div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 16px; font-family: garamond,new york,times,serif; background-color: transparent; font-style: normal;">{chaw'taHneSvIS}</div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 16px; font-family: garamond,new york,times,serif; background-color: transparent;
 font-style: normal;"><br></div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 16px; font-family: garamond,new york,times,serif; background-color: transparent; font-style: normal;">for instance?</div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 16px; font-family: garamond,new york,times,serif; background-color: transparent; font-style: normal;"><br></div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 16px; font-family: garamond,new york,times,serif; background-color: transparent; font-style: normal;">They look grammatically correct, but ... awkward, to me.</div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 16px; font-family: garamond,new york,times,serif; background-color: transparent; font-style: normal;"><br><span></span></div><span></span></div></body></html>
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