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Re: [Tlhingan-hol] -vo' question

André Müller (esperantist@gmail.com)



<div dir="ltr"><div><div>However, there is one example where -vo&#39; isn&#39;t used strictly in an only locative meaning:<br><br>chaq SoHvo&#39; vay&#39; vIje&#39; vIneH.<span class=""><br>«Maybe I&#39;d like to buy something from you.»<br>
<br></span></div><span class="">Of course one might still interpret this as &quot;buying something away/off from you&quot;, but it shows that it&#39;s possible (probably if a motion is still implied, which seems also true for your sentences).<br>
<br>But it might still be better to render your two examples with genitive constructions, thus linking the origin and the theme simply by juxtaposition.<br><br></span></div><span class="">- André<br></span></div><div class="gmail_extra">
<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2013/6/17 Fiat Knox <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:fiat_knox@yahoo.co.uk"; target="_blank">fiat_knox@yahoo.co.uk</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div><div style="font-size:12pt;font-family:garamond,new york,times,serif">IIRC, it&#39;s been established that -Daq and -vo&#39; apply only to physical movement to or from a given location.<br><br>3.3.5 Syntactic markers<br>
<strong><strong><font color="#DD3615">-Daq</font></strong>
and <strong><font color="#DD3615">-vo&#39;</font></strong> are 
strictly locative; they refer only to
     <u>motion</u>, or <u>location</u>.
     They can&#39;t be used in other situations in which English uses
     &quot;to&quot;, &quot;in&quot; or &quot;from&quot; in a metaphorical sense (eg. &quot;I translate from English to Klingon&quot;;
     you can&#39;t use <strong><font color="#DD3615">-Daq</font></strong>
     for &quot;to&quot; or <strong><font color="#DD3615">-vo&#39;</font></strong>
     for &quot;from&quot;).</strong> [HQ v8n1p7], quoted here from <a href="http://teresh.tdonnelly.org/kliadd3.html"; target="_blank">http://teresh.tdonnelly.org/kliadd3.html</a><br><br><div>+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++<br>
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 <blockquote style="border-left:2px solid rgb(16,16,255);margin-left:5px;margin-top:5px;padding-left:5px">  <div style="font-family:garamond,new york,times,serif;font-size:12pt"> <div style="font-family:times new roman,new york,times,serif;font-size:12pt">
 <div dir="ltr"> <hr size="1">  <font face="Arial"> <b><span style="font-weight:bold">From:</span></b> nIqolay q &lt;<a href="mailto:niqolay0@gmail.com"; target="_blank">niqolay0@gmail.com</a>&gt;<br> <b><span style="font-weight:bold">To:</span></b> &quot;<a href="mailto:tlhingan-hol@stodi.digitalkingdom.org"; target="_blank">tlhingan-hol@stodi.digitalkingdom.org</a>&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:tlhingan-hol@stodi.digitalkingdom.org"; target="_blank">tlhingan-hol@stodi.digitalkingdom.org</a>&gt; <br>
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 Sunday, 16 June 2013, 23:17<br> <b><span style="font-weight:bold">Subject:</span></b> [Tlhingan-hol] -vo&#39; question<br> </font> </div> <div><br>Is it acceptable to use -vo&#39; in the sense of a thing being given/taken<br>
from someone, such as:<br><br>rewbe&#39;pu&#39;vo&#39; rupmey &#39;Iq boS qum (The government collects too many<br>taxes from the citizens.)<br>DIvI&#39; Duyvo&#39; betleH pov Hevpu&#39; ta&#39; (The emperor received an excellent<br>
bat&#39;leth from the Federation emissary.)<br><br>Or is its meaning purely spatial, such that those example sentences<br>would have to be rephrased?<br><br>_______________________________________________<br>Tlhingan-hol mailing list<br>
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