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Re: [Tlhingan-hol] tu'lum

Steven Boozer (

> >> (tlhIngan Hol lo'lu'taHvIS chay' "coincidence" 'oSlu'?)[]
>> quq   	happen simultaneously (v).  E.g.:
>> *{quq X Y je} "X and Y coincide/happen simultaneously",

> But the kind of coincidence I'm talking about isn't a co-incidence in
> time:
>   "It'd be quite the coincidence if Marc Okrand and I had
>    visited the same random restaurant."
> We clearly didn't visit it at the same time.

Hmm... this is a tough one.  The only thing that comes to mind is the adverbial {bong} "accidentally, by accident":

  bong yaS vIHoHpu' 
  I accidentally killed the officer. TKD

  tera' vatlh DIS poH cha'maH loS bong QongmeH qItI'nga' Duj tI'ang
   ghompu' DIvI' 'ejDo' 'entepray' 
  A sleeper ship of this [K'Tinga] class, the T'Ong, was encountered
   in the 24th century by the USS Enterprise. S15

The S15 example - {bong ghompu'} "met by accident" - may suggest something like *{bong Qe'vam wISuchpu' jIH Okrand je}.  Another option might be {wanI'/ghu' motlhbe'/Huj/jum/taq 'oH} "it's an unusual/strange/odd/weird event/situation".  But the idea of "by chance" doesn't eally come through in either.  

Perhaps Klingons don't really believe in chance.  They do however believe in {San} (fate) and {SuD} (gamble, take a chance, take a risk).

[Are there any more examples of {bong} or chance or coincidence in the paq'batlh?]

Ca'Non Master of the Klingons

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