When I think of a hollow tree, in relation to
QemjIq, I think of a tree stump that someone has
hollowed out (or has been naturally hollowed out
by erosion) and has one big opening for you to
fill. If it's a tree that has a hollow inside,
with a single hole going through the outer bark,
then that hole would be a qung (but the inside would be a QemjIq?).Â
I almost want to say: if the opening is as big,
or bigger (radius size) than the space on the
other side of the opening it's a QemjIq, while
if the opening is smaller than the space on the other side then it's a qung.Â
A picture is worth a thousand words (especially
in this case) so this is how I would label these images:
QemjIq =Â
<http://us.123rf.com/400wm/400/400/vtjordan/vtjordan1110/vtjordan111000008/10931107-hollow-tree-stump.jpg>http://us.123rf.com/400wm/400/400/vtjordan/vtjordan1110/vtjordan111000008/10931107-hollow-tree-stump.jpgÂ;
(Wide opening that can be filled)
qung =Â
<http://image.shutterstock.com/display_pic_with_logo/358540/358540,1299443710,4/stock-photo-bird-nest-in-hollow-tree-trunk-72586633.jpg>http://image.shutterstock.com/display_pic_with_logo/358540/358540,1299443710,4/stock-photo-bird-nest-in-hollow-tree-trunk-72586633.jpgÂ;
(small opening, which would have to be patched,
as filling it would fill the QemjIq? inside the
hollow tree before the qung on the surface... )
qurgh
On Tue, Jan 31, 2012 at 2:52 PM, Felix
Malmenbeck <<mailto:[email protected]>[email protected]> wrote:
Indeed, part of me feels like a QemjIq should be
a hollow space with a single, narrow opening
that you could by pouring cement into it if you
were allowed to rotate it however you wished
(like the hollow of a tree: if you're allowed to
lay the tree down horizontally, you could fill it with cement).
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From: qurgh lungqIj [<mailto:[email protected]>[email protected]]
Sent: Tuesday, January 31, 2012 19:46
To: <mailto:[email protected]>[email protected]
Subject: Re: [Tlhingan-hol] More new words from Maltz
I think we need to ask Marc what he was thinking when he said "fillable". :)
Number 1 in your suggestion is very fillable
IMO, as you can fill it by pouring cement into
it, while you can't pour cement into a qung (as
it would simply pour out the other side). qung,
on the other hand, can be patched by covering it
with another material (some of which goes into
the hole), but patching a QemjIq would simply give it a roof.
I see it as a qung being a hole in something
that you can look through and see things on the
other side, while a QemjIq doesn't have another
side. If I use a spade, I can dig a QemjIq in
the ground, but I can also punch a qung in a
wall with it (if I could somehow dig all the way
through the planet and out the other side, I'd
have a qung). QemjIq = hole, depression, empty
pond, drained lake, opening of a volcano, etc;
qung = hole, puncture, gap, tear in the knee of my pants, bullet hole, etc.
As for a bottle's mouth, I don't see that as
qung or QemjIq, as the bottle is made that
shape. If I drilled a hole into the bottle, that
would be a qung (just as I have to drill holes
into a flute to make it make music, but the holes at either end are not qung).
qurgh
On Tue, Jan 31, 2012 at 11:32 AM, Felix
Malmenbeck <<mailto:[email protected]>[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
Very true. However, I suspect the comment about
QemjIqmey being fillable and qungmey not was a
bit of a misdtatement; after all, one can fill
most small qungmey with a bit of lam Dogh.
I suspect the distinction is about one of two things:
1) Topology: Depressions(holes with "dead ends")
 are QemjIqmey, true holes are qungmey.
2) The depth of the material: Much like the way
'ab refers to "longish, skinnyish things",
perhaps qungmey refer to punctures in
"membranish, sheetlike things"; things with
depths that are small compared to width and length.
2) strikes me as being the more natural
distinction to make, alrhough I personally prefer 1).
Neither 1) nor 2) satisfies Okrand's non-fillability criterion, however.
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