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Re: [Tlhingan-hol] qIHpu'ghach wa'DIch: 'ay' cha'

De'vID jonpIn ([email protected])



<p><br>
loghaD:<br>
&gt; qeylIS betleH would probably be held as a betleH&#39;a&#39;, but it&#39;s not called qeylIS betleH&#39;a&#39;; it receives its grandeur from being prefixed by &quot;qeylIS&quot;. If you were to refer to qeylIS betleH&#39;a&#39;, I&#39;d assume you were talking about the greatest of his many betleHmey.</p>

<p>How would you interpret the following?<br>
{qeylIS mIv&#39;a&#39;}<br>
{qeylIS Daqtagh&#39;a&#39; DuQwI&#39;Hommey}<br>
{lopno&#39; &#39;uQ&#39;a&#39;}</p>
<p>I don&#39;t think {qeylIS betleH} is a {betleH&#39;a&#39;} merely by virtue of being associated with Kahless, unless it was already considered a {betleH&#39;a&#39;} by itself.  Kahless can carry a {tajHom}, just like anybody else.</p>

<p>loghaD:<br>
&gt; Likewise, the telmey of a neghvar are perhaps tel&#39;a&#39;mey when compared to the telDu&#39; of a bird or even the telmey of a toQDuj, but if you were to refer to neghvar tel&#39;a&#39;mey, the idea I&#39;d get is &quot;the Negh&#39;Var&#39;s main wings&quot;.</p>

<p>I also get the idea &quot;the Negh&#39;Var&#39;s main wings&quot;, but I think we arrive at this meaning differently:<br>
{[neghvar tel][&#39;a&#39;][mey]} &quot;[the Negh&#39;Var&#39;s [main] wings]&quot; vs.<br>
{[neghvar] [tel&#39;a&#39;mey]} &quot;[the Negh&#39;Var&#39;s] [main wings]&quot;</p>
<p>I think {tel&#39;a&#39;} by itself has a meaning &quot;main-wing&quot;.  This isn&#39;t clear in English because it&#39;s two words (i.e., we don&#39;t have a single word to describe the thing that {tel&#39;a&#39;} refers to), but consider {telHom}, which we can perhaps render using a word such as &quot;flap&quot;.  Like {mIv&#39;a&#39;}, I think {telHom} is not just a {tel} that has a relative relationship to regular {tel}, but its own type of {tel}.  A {telHom} isn&#39;t just a &quot;wing which is small&quot;, but a &quot;small-wing&quot;, a &quot;flap&quot;.</p>

<p>This is how I understand {SoSbor&#39;a&#39;} as well.  A ship can have a {De&#39;wI&#39; SoSbor&#39;a&#39;} &quot;main computer core&quot;, independently of whether it has any other computer cores.</p>
<p>This is also how we can have {qepHom} which are bigger than {qep&#39;a&#39;}. {{:-)</p>
<p>loghaD:<br>
&gt; Consider also a pilllow might be called QongDaq buqHom (and a sleeping bag a QongDaq buq&#39;a&#39;), and a pants pocket a yopwaH buq. To me, this supports the idea that -&#39;a&#39; and -Hom are distinctions within a category (most of the time, at least; in natural language, I&#39;d expect there to be plenty of exceptions).</p>

<p>So {buq} is a word that we have different English words for, depending on their relative size/function.  For example, &quot;sack&quot;, &quot;bag&quot;, &quot;pocket&quot;, &quot;purse&quot;, &quot;pouch&quot;.  A pillow could be called a {QongDaq buqHom} (something like &quot;bed purse&quot;), whereas a sleeping bag is a {QongDaq buq&#39;a&#39;} (something like &quot;bed sack&quot;), and a pants pocket is just {yopwaH buq} &quot;pants pocket&quot;.  I&#39;d still parse {QongDaq buqHom} as {[QongDaq] [buqHom]} rather than {[QongDaq buq][Hom]}.</p>

<p>--<br>
De&#39;vID</p>
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