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Re: [Tlhingan-hol] qo''e' tu'bogh pagh - 'ay' chorgh
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<div style="direction: ltr;font-family: Tahoma;color: #000000;font-size: 10pt;">Accidentally sent my e-mail only to De'vID. Attached it below. Anyhow, here's a quick go at the whole scene:<br>
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[Supaq pa']<br>
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Supaq: majQa' vel'erIS. 'ampaSDaq DevwI'lI' jIHmo' ta'meylIj vInuD 'ej mubelmoH. 'ej vulqangan SoHmo' bIpo' 'e' vIpIH, 'ej bIpo'qu'.<br>
[I'm actually very confused as to what Spock means by "And as a Vulcan, you have exceeded my expectations."]<br>
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vel'erIS: mIlloghvam vIyajbe'.<br>
[I think nagh beQ may be more appropriate, but mIllogh stroke me as being more "Vulcan:y", just as "representation" is a very Vulcan:y way to refer to a painting. much could also be used.]<br>
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Supaq: tera' lalDan tIQ wanI' much. QI'tu' lumej net poQ.<br>
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vel'erIS: qatlh pa'lIjDaq Dapol?<br>
[That leaves less room for chocolate!]<br>
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Supaq: Dor Hoch. 'e' vIqawmeH naDev vIpol.<br>
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vel'erIS: maja'chuq vIneH Dorbogh ghu' vIbuSmo'. qaH, yablI' jup ghaHmo' yabwI''e' qaghel, ghaytan DIvI' choH'a' qaSpu'bogh wanI''a'?<br>
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Supaq: reH chentaH 'u' San. ngoDvam DavoqnIS.<br>
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vel'erIS: jIyajbe'.<br>
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Supaq: QaQbej 'u' San.<br>
[Really not very happy with this line; feels very... ...non-Spock:y.]<br>
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vel'erIS: 'e' Datu'bej'a' bImeqDI'? jImeqDI'...<br>
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Supaq: meq tu'DI' vay' valchoH, 'ach wej valchu'.<br>
Qu'vam vIvanDI' Dujvam beq vImuvHa'.<br>
Daq chIm lajQo' 'u'. choqa' 'e' vIHech.<br>
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vel'erIS: qaqa'meH qItbe'. qacho'laH neH.<br>
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'u'uwra' (ghogh HablI'): peqIm. Hoch yaS, SIbI' meH jaH.<br>
Duj poSDaq tlhIngan may'Duj. Hoch yaS, SIbI' meH jaH.<br>
[My attempt at Clipped Klingon.]<br>
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My previous message to De'vID:<br>
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<font color="black" face="Tahoma" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt;" dir="ltr">Gonna give a few of those a try, just to get the conversation going:<br>
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"nature abhors a vacuum"<br>
One's best bet may be to think of a different metaphor, but anyway:<br>
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'u'Daq chImchugh wa' Daq tebbejlI' 'u' - If an area is empty in the universe, the universe is definitely working on filling it<br>
'u'Daq chenDI' paghna' chenHa'choHmoH 'u' - As soon as a true nothingness forms in the universe, the universe begins to deconstruct it<br>
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Daq chIm lajQo' 'u' - The universe rejects empty places<br>
chImchu'bogh logh lajQo' 'u' - The universe rejects truly empty space<br>
'u'Daq chImchu' vay' net chaw'be' - Nothing in the universe may be empty<br>
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Turning points in history:<br>
In paq'batlh, one finds the phrase SaD law' San chenmoH qeylIS.<br>
If destiny can be chenmoH:ed, then probably so can history.<br>
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qun luchenmoHbogh wanI''a'mey'e' - great events which have formed history<br>
[choHbogh may also work, but I figure that in an era where time travel is possible, this may be misinterpreted]<br>
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So, the whole thing would be something like:<br>
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History is replete with turning points, Lieutenant. You must have faith.<br>
la' pIj qaS qun luchenmoHbogh wanI''a'mey'e'. ngoDvam yIvoq.<br>
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Another alternative is:<br>
reH chentaH San. ngoDvam yIvoq.<br>
{Destiny is always forming. Have faith in this fact!}<br>
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"That the universe will unfold as it should."<br>
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Damn... That's tough.<br>
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chenchu'meH chenbejlI' 'u'. {The universe is definitely forming towards the goal of forming completely.}<br>
...but I suppose Spock means "as it should" as in "in order to be preferable", so one might go with:<br>
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qaqmeH chenlI' 'u'. {The universe is taking form in order to be preferable.}<br>
...though that does feel very weird.<br>
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QaQbej 'u' San. {The universe's destiny is definitely good.}<br>
Highly illogical, but of course...<br>
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"logic is the beginning of wisdom"<br>
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meq tu'DI' vay' valchoH 'a wej valchu'. - When one discovers logic, one begins to be wise, but one is not yet perfectly wise.</span></font><br>
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<b>Sent:</b> Saturday, January 28, 2012 23:31<br>
<b>To:</b> [email protected]<br>
<b>Subject:</b> [Tlhingan-hol] qo''e' tu'bogh pagh - 'ay' chorgh<br>
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<p>Does anyone want to volunteer to translate this next chunk? Or, how about if we do it by committee? I found it really hard to express some of these ideas: "nature abhors a vacuum", "turning points in history", "the universe unfolds", "logic is the beginning
of wisdom"... yikes.</p>
<p>> [Spock's quarters]<br>
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> SPOCK: You've done well, Valeris. As your sponsor at the Academy I've<br>
> followed your career with satisfaction. And as a Vulcan, you have<br>
> exceeded my expectations.<br>
> VALERIS: I do not understand this representation.<br>
> (referring to a painting on the wall)<br>
> SPOCK: It's a depiction from ancient Earth mythology. 'The Expulsion<br>
> from Paradise.'<br>
> VALERIS: Why keep it in your quarters?<br>
> SPOCK: To be a reminder to me that all things end.<br>
> VALERIS: It is of endings that I wish to speak. Sir, I address you as<br>
> a kindred intellect. Do you not recognise ...that a turning point has<br>
> been reached in the affairs of the Federation?<br>
> SPOCK: History is replete with turning points, Lieutenant. You must have faith.<br>
> VALERIS: Faith?<br>
> SPOCK: That the universe will unfold as it should.<br>
> VALERIS: But is this logical? Surely we must...<br>
> SPOCK: Logic? ...Logic is the beginning of wisdom, Valeris, not the<br>
> end. ...This will be my final voyage on board this vessel as a member<br>
> of her crew. Nature abhors a vacuum. I intend you to replace me.<br>
> VALERIS: I could only succeed you, sir.<br>
> UHURA (on intercom): Now hear this. All officers to the bridge.<br>
> Klingon battle cruiser off the port bow. All officers to the bridge.</p>
<p>--<br>
De'vID</p>
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