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Re: [Tlhingan-hol] nuq bop bom: 'ay' wa'vatlh wa'maH chorgh: <ghIqtal>

lojmIt tI'wI'nuv ([email protected]) 

<html><head></head><body bgcolor="#FFFFFF"><div>{chuS} doesn't mean "make noise". It means "be noisy". A room can be noisy without making any noise. Any place that an observer would be in, noting noise, is a noisy place.&nbsp;<br><div><br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div>Sent from my iPod</div><div><br>On Jan 7, 2012, at 5:02 AM, "De'vID jonpIn" &lt;<a href="mailto:[email protected]";>[email protected]</a>&gt; wrote:<br><br></div><div></div><blockquote type="cite"><div><p><br>
Qov:<br>
&gt; latlh raSDaq Sup ghutar, jatlh “wot'av, torgh puqloD! batlh qelDI' tlhIngan, lumbe'. Do'Ha' DaHjaj betleHwIj'e' vInaw'laHbe'. wa' munojqangchugh vay', DaH qaHay'.” </p>

<p>Does {Hay'} take an object?&nbsp; I thought it was one of those verbs where all the participants are in the subject (like {ghom}), but I didn't find any canon evidence to back up my intuition.</p>
<p>Qov:<br>
&gt; chuSqu'choH SopwI'pa'. </p>
<p>Is it the {SopwI'pa'} itself that's beginning to be noisy, or something inside it?&nbsp; This is just a stylistic preference, but I'd have written {chuSqu'choH SopwI'pa' qoD} or {SopwI'pa'Daq chuSqu'choHlu'}.&nbsp; {chuSqu'choH SopwI'pa'} sounds to me like the mess hall itself is making noise.&nbsp; (This may very well be an acceptable way of saying that something inside the mess hall is making noise, like it is in English, but I'm not sure.)</p>

<p>Compare:<br>
{chuSqu'choH jonta' pa'; Qom tlhoy'mey}<br>
{jonta' pa'Daq chuSqu'choHlu'; yay lulop jonwI'pu'}</p>
<p>Maybe I'm taking things too literally.</p>
<p>Qov:<br>
&gt; qevDaq chen gho chIm 'ej 'oHDaq QamtaH ghutar, wot'avHey[78]. <br>
&gt; [78] Any comments on this as “the guy who seemed to be wot'av”?</p>
<p>DIp 'oHbe' {qev}'e'.&nbsp; {ghom'a'} DaHechlaw'.</p>
<p>wot'avHey vIyaj 'ej vIlaj.</p>
<p>Qov:<br>
&gt; jatlh Hota'ro', “nach DopDaq rIQ. So' jIbDaj.”</p>
<p>Qov:<br>
&gt; “lu' qaH,” jatlh 'avwI' 'ej vay' rI'. loSmeH 'avwI' retlhDaq chobDaq [161] Qam vajar. tugh paw wochbogh 'avwI' tIn. SopwI'pa'vaD jatlh vajar, “Ha'! Hota'ro', HItlhej!” <br>

&gt; [161] Who requires a je here? I feel happy without it.</p>
<p>Do we have any canon of two {-Daq}ed nouns side by side like this?&nbsp; The entire sentence is somewhat ambiguous and confusing to to me.&nbsp; Is the {chob} next to the {'avwI'}, or is {vajar} (who is standing in a {chob}) next to the {'avwI'}?&nbsp; Is the {'avwI'} also inside the {chob}?&nbsp; What's the subject of {loSmeH}?&nbsp; I think it's {vajar}, but initially I thought it was {'avwI'} until I got to the end of the sentence.&nbsp; If it is {vajar}, I'd write {loSmeH vajar, 'avwI'...}.</p>

<p>--<br>
De'vID</p>
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