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Re: [Tlhingan-hol] nuq bop bom: 'ay' wa'vatlh wa'maH cha': <SuchwI' chaw'>
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I understand the arguments against nuqDaq DaghoS, but to me the answer to
nuq DaghoS is {tlhoy'vetlh} or {chob'a'vam}, not jonwI' choQ.<br><br>
Has nuq ever been used in canon as a destination? Has interrogative
where ever been translated without nuqDaq?<br><br>
I'll evade here with {nuq 'oH ghochlIj'e', HoD?}<br><br>
How would you feel about {nuqDaq DajaH?}?<br><br>
I really like these discussions and don't ever feel that I'm being
nitpicked whether it's a mere qaghwI' or a using a verb against
canon.<br><br>
- Qov<br><br>
At 06:49 05/01/2012, lojmIt tI'wI'nuv wrote:<br>
<blockquote type=cite class=cite cite="">I disagree about {nuqDaq DaghoS}
vs. {nuq DaghoS}. I think either is acceptable and can be understood, but
{nuq DaghoS} is preferable if you want to know the target of one's
travel, while {nuqDaq DaghoS} is preferable if you want to identify a
larger location that contains the entire path one travels to get
there.<br><br>
Remember that Okrand has explained to us that {ghoS} doesn't just mean to
go somewhere. It means to move along a path from something to something.
The direct object is an object located somewhere along the path, most
typically, the goal location. It's the thing that, for the purposes of
the sentence, the path is named after.<br><br>
If you add {-Daq}, then the noun isn't a direct object of {ghoS}, it's
the location that includes the path one travels upon while one
{ghoS}s.<br><br>
In My Humble Opinion.<br><br>
I think he actually gave an example that {bIQtIq vIghoS} means "I am
going to the river," or "I'm traversing a path that includes
the river, probably as its destination," while {bIQtIqDaq vIghoS}
means "I'm in the river and I'm going somewhere." Also note
that {bIQtIqDaq jIghoS} is a perfectly formed sentence, while {bIQtIQ
jIghoS} is not. This implies that {bIQtIqDaq vIghoS} has an unstated
direct object, while {bIQtIQDaq} is the location of the action of the
verb, not its direct object.<br><br>
That's the key. If I ask {nuqDaq DaghoS?}, then I'm not asking where you
are headed. I'm asking everywhere you've been and intend to go. I want
the broader, all-inclusive location you are traveling in; the entire
zone, not just the direction.<br><br>
pItlh<br>
lojmIt tI'wI'nuv<br><br>
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On Jan 4, 2012, at 5:35 PM, Qov wrote:<br><br>
<blockquote type=cite class=cite cite="">Hey, I missed you. You're part
of the creative process now. :-)<br><br>
At 13:50 04/01/2012, you wrote:<br>
<blockquote type=cite class=cite cite="">On Mon, Dec 26, 2011 at 1:53 PM,
Qov
<<a href="mailto:[email protected]";>[email protected]</a>>
wrote:<br>
> ngo' Duj 'ach veQ 'oHbe'bej.<br><br>
Do' veQDuj 'oHbe' veS'e'.</blockquote><br>
lInDab Duj 'oH. 'ach Qu'DajvaD thoy ngo'.<br><br>
<blockquote type=cite class=cite cite="">> "nuqDaq DaghoS,
HoD?"<br><br>
'utbe' <-Daq> qar'a'? I'm getting a "from whence" vibe
here.</blockquote><br>
jIQoch. I'm pretty sure nuqDaq is a chunk like QongDaq, not the same word
as, say nuqDaq DaQeq = what are you aiming at. If there were
numerous objects in the room and you had to pick one to approach then
sure, nuq DaghoS, but "Where are you going?" = nuqDaq
DaghoS.<br><br>
<font color="#00721E">...<br>
</font>- Qov<br><br>
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