tlhIngan-Hol Archive: Wed Jan 04 14:40:07 2012
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Re: [Tlhingan-hol] nuq bop bom: 'ay' wa'vatlh wa'maH cha': <SuchwI' chaw'>
Hey, I missed you. You're part of the creative process now. :-)
At 13:50 04/01/2012, you wrote:
On Mon, Dec 26, 2011 at 1:53 PM, Qov <[email protected]> wrote:
> ngo' Duj 'ach veQ 'oHbe'bej.
Do' veQDuj 'oHbe' veS'e'.
lInDab Duj 'oH. 'ach Qu'DajvaD thoy ngo'.
> "nuqDaq DaghoS, HoD?"
'utbe' <-Daq> qar'a'? I'm getting a "from whence" vibe here.
jIQoch. I'm pretty sure nuqDaq is a chunk like QongDaq, not the same
word as, say nuqDaq DaQeq = what are you aiming at. If there were
numerous objects in the room and you had to pick one to approach then
sure, nuq DaghoS, but "Where are you going?" = nuqDaq DaghoS.
> chobmeyDaq chaq vaghmaH nuv juS vajar DorwI' je.
The first time I read this it seemed fine. On my second pass, looking
for things to comment on, I found one. If I analyze the grammar
carefully, I think the sentence is saying that maybe they passed fifty
people, and maybe they didn't pass those fifty people. This is a weak
spot in my understanding of Klingon. Keeping in mind the observation
that "[Klingons] are never approximate," it could be a weak spot in
Klingon itself.
Would anyone like to debate the merits of putting {-Hey} on a number?
I agree with the problem. It's one I often run into. Perhaps it's
culturally okay to pick an arbitrary number and just claim it,
despite it not being quite accurate. Kids do that in English before
they've learned to insert weasel words like "like/about/around." Or
perhaps {vaghmaH nuv juSlaw'}. I think I've tried things like -Hey
on a number in the past, but I'm trying to avoid such edgy heresies
here. I got shot down for treating numbers like nouns when I did it
without thinking ({wej loS je}), but I lack native speaker instincts. :-)
For here I will change it to an exact number. {chobmeyDaq vaghmaH loS
nuv juS vajar}. If someone asks {toghta''a'?} I'll cross that bridge then.
> QIj vajar, jatlh "DeghwI'wI' Darur."
>
> jatlh be', "toH Hota'ro' ra'wI' SoH, vajar HoD, qar'a'?"
toH, Hota'ro' qawchu' je be'vam.
Qat'a'?
jIQubchoH. rurqu', qatlh 'e' Del qonwI'? pIj rambe' ramlaw'bogh De'.
qonwI' yIqel. loQ murur vajar.
> raS DungDaq tIHmey luHotlhlu'taHmo' chenlaw' Duj ngeb.
Neither "scan" nor "project" fits right with {tIHmey} as the object,
at least in my mind. I'd be okay with the beams *doing* the
scanning/projecting.
"Above the table because of projected beams a false ship appeared to
take form."
You would find:
{raS DungDaq HotlhtaHmo' tIHmey chenlaw' Duj ngeb}?
I'd welcome a better description. It's quite clear in my head what it
looks like.
> vagh 'uj Saw', wa'maH vagh 'uj 'ab, 'ej jav 'uj juch HanDogh joj.
Dugh 'oSbe''a'? cha' HanDogh cha''a'?
HIja', ghaytan pu'jIn lu'lo'. 'ej vabDot lojchugh HanDogh chevbogh
chuq noHlaH vay'.
> chaq SomrawDu' neH ghaq.
jIHvaD Qatlh mu'tlheghvam mach, mu' <ghaq> vIghovbe'mo'. mu'ghom
vIlo'DI' vIqaw.
mu'mey qub vIlo' 'e' vItIv. SoHvaD qubmo' jIbel.
> qay'qu'law' peQchem lIngwI' ngaDmoHwI'.
qaStaHvIS poH nI' qay'taH.
'ay' wa'vaD Dochvam QIp vI'oghta'mo' reH vISIQnIS.
> Qu'Daj lubuSbogh jonwI' 'Il'e' ghov.
Qu' lubuSchugh chaH'e', ghaytan Qu'_chaj_ 'oH.
bIlugh.
> [53] tIqqu'choH 'ay'meywIj. bepchugh vay' HISovmoH.
jIbepbe' jIH.
'ay'mey vIchevta'DI' 'ay''a'vam vIchoHqu'mo' pIj
qaS. bIcheghta'mo' jISeychoH. SoHvaD lut vIqon 'e' vItIv.
- Qov
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