tlhIngan-Hol Archive: Mon Nov 07 20:50:38 2011
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Re: [Tlhingan-hol] nuq bop bom: 'ay' SochmaH wej: <may' pugh>
On Thu, Nov 3, 2011 at 7:17 PM, Qov <[email protected]> wrote:
> ghu' chovchoHDI' vay', yaS wa'DIch luHIvlI' gharghmey tIn 'e' HarlaH.
I get the feeling that it was phrased this way specifically to avoid a
{-lu'} on the last verb. If that's the case, you could omit the first
clause and say {yaS wa'DIch luHIvlI' gharghmey tIn net HarlaH}. If you
really did want to invoke an explicit {vay'}, then never mind.
> yaS wa'DIch luHDu' bIH.
{luHDu'} makes perfect sense, but it also makes me giggle.
> ravDaq chejHey ghov HoD.
There's nothing wrong with this sentence, but my mind stumbles on the
idea trying to overanalyze it. "If he really recognized it, why is it
uncertain?"
Do' cha' chej ngaS tlhIngan porgh (net maq). wa' chej Hutlhchugh
Human, nom Heghbej.
> luH yIr 'e' lunIDtaH ghopDu'Daj.[17]
wot cha'DIchDaq <-taH> yItlhejmoHQo'.
> [17] What does it say about me that I had no problems disembowelling one of
> my characters in his sleep, but it hurt me to abuse these stupid grammar
> rule?
There's apparently something fundamental about grammar. Mercy is more flexible.
I think you should have said {luH yIrtaH 'e' lunID ghopDu'Daj}. It's
not exactly the same meaning, but it's an appropriate one.
> may' pugh SIQnIS SuvwI' 'ach QIDqu'DI' chor 'uplaHbej 'e' chIDqang HoD.
{QID} means "wound", not "be wounded."
> QIHvam vorlaHbe' Hoqra'. QIHvam vorlaH Qel 'e' Hon vajar,...
<-'e'> Dachel 'e' vIchup: <vorlaH Qel'e' 'e' Hon>.
> "...Hoch jagh DIHoHta'...”
Using {Hoch} with an implicit plural this way always makes me wince.
If I interpret {Hoch jagh} as "each enemy" the way I would in
isolation, it doesn't match the {DI-} prefix. I have to stretch the
rules regarding {Hoch} to read it as "all enemies" even without an
explicitly plural noun following it.
At least it's not as wonky as {Hoch cha}.
> jup luH 'ay'Du' buvchoH.[5] Qaw'lu'chu', pagh naQlaw', pagh chaq vorlaH.
Triage on a single patient's internal organs. That's a heck of a thing.
> 'reghbogh 'aDDu' bot.
<reghbogh> 'et DantaH qaghwI' 'utHa'.
> ...'ach qaStaHvIS wej rep 'ungya vormeH vum tlhInganpu'.
lugh <luvormeH> qar'a'?
> jajvetlh Heghbe' 'ungya.
'arlogh Qoylu'pu'?
-- ghunchu'wI'
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