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Re: jISIv

R Fenwick ([email protected])



ghItlhpu' lojmIt tI'wI' nuv:
>I think of time stamps as either being absolute (like midnight) or relative TO NOW
>(like tomorrow). I don't think that a time stamp is the right grammatical structure
>to talk about the length of a span of time between two events, neither of which is
>now.

I'm not sure what you're getting at. HIchuH.

taH:
>My suggestion {qaSpu'mo' tup 'ar jIpaS?} translates to "I will be late because how
>many minutes have happened?" Is it really that obtuse?

I misparsed your sentence, as I'd still been thinking about your previous mention of
the possibility of {tup 'ar jIpaS} on its own. HIvqa' veqlargh.

Even so, I'm not convinced {qaSpu'mo' tup 'ar} is appropriate. It feels indirect, too
much like an attempt to render the English too closely. You wouldn't really be late
because five minutes happened (since the minutes will tick on anyway); you'd be late
because you were sick, because the shuttlecraft was late, or whatever.

Now that I think about it, I wonder if {tup 'armo'} might be a little better, using
the type 5 noun suffix {-mo'} instead of the type 9 verb suffix. "I am late because
of how many minutes?" Still don't think I like it much, but what do you think?

>You seem fixated on using a time stamp here.

The reason I was focusing on using a time stamp was because I believed that that's
what you were doing, and I was offering my opinion on how to make *your* sentences
work. You offered three possibilities. One was {tup 'ar vIpaS}, which I find very
problematic. One was {tugh jIpaSqu' 'e' vISIv}, which is fine but doesn't really
contain the idea of "how much" that you want to preserve. And the third was {tup 'ar
jIpaS}, which is also grammatical, but if and only if {tup 'ar} is a time stamp.

In fairness, I suspect you in your turn are intent on shoehorning this into a single
Klingon sentence. DloraH's suggestion is perfect: {chaq jIpaS. ghorgh jIpaw?}. Or,
if you want to be specific with time periods, my suggestion of {chaq jIpaS. tup 'ar
pIq jIpaw?} (with {tup} replaceable by any other time noun you like, of course).

>You really can talk about time without always having to use it as a time stamp.

net Sovchu'. qayajHa'pu'qu' neH 'e' vIjatlh.

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