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Re: [KLBC?] word order and sentence in General.

David Trimboli ( [KLI Member] [Hol po'wI'] wrote:
> In a message dated 6/24/2009 16:47:00 Eastern Daylight Time, 
> writes:
>> qavan, ghoj[moH]wI'pu' QeDwI'pu' je
> Since your email was directed at many people, the I+you plural prefix {Sa-} 
> would be better:  
> Savan!  ghoj[moH]wI'pu' QeDwI'pu' je.

Quite right!

	Savan, ghojmoHwI'pu' HaDwI'pu' je.

> If this verb is placed after the noun phrase, it makes a sentence with 
> object and verb, a more cohesive and unitary structure, assuming that the 
> object, which is nominally third person, can be used as the object of a verb with 
> a second person object prefix.  I don't see any conflict with the "prefix 
> trick", though, since there is no indirect object to confuse things.  
> ghoj[moH]wI'pu' QeDwI'pu' je Savan.

Better not to confuse a KLBC post with controversial grammar. 
/ghojmoHwI'pu' HaDwI'pu' je/ is not a second-person noun phrase, and 
there is no rule that says you can ignore agreement in a case like this.

A little comma fixes this, though:

	ghojmoHwI'pu' HaDwI'pu' je, Savan.
	Teachers and students, I salute you.

> If the object person conflict is too great, then simply use {vI-} on the 
> verb: 
> ghoj[moH]wI'pu' QeDwI'pu' je vIvan.

"I salute teachers and [students]." Sure you do, but Thorwald was 
directly addressing us. You've taken away the direct address.


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