tlhIngan-Hol Archive: Thu Jul 09 10:43:51 2009
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Re: Questions with law'/puS
Terrence Donnelly wrote:
> We haven't seen {-'a'} used on an adjective verb? This greatly
> surprises me. Positive, negative and interrogative are such
> fundamental modes of discourse that I find it almost impossible to
> believe you couldn't use {-'a'} with an adjective.
Eh? What would *{tlhIngan HoSghaj'a' vIlegh} mean? "I see the Klingon
who may or may not be powerful"?
I'd much rather see Type 6 suffixes on adjectival verbs. Much more
useful. *{tlhIngan HoSghajlaw' vIlegh} "I see the Klingon who seems
powerful." But, of course, you can do this sort of thing legally with
complete sentences: {HoSghajlaw'bogh tlhIngan vIlegh}.
Actually, transforming it into a relative clause like that is a good
demonstration as to why you WOULDN'T expect {-'a'} to be a good suffix
on an adjectival verb. As a relative clause, the Type 9 suffix is taken
by the {-bogh}, with no place for an {-'a'}.
> When people reacted so strongly to my use of {-'a'}, I concluded that
> we must have _no_ examples of verb suffixes on a {law'/puS} pair.
> But now that I know we have canon for at least one verb suffix,
> {-be'}, I find it very hard to believe that we couldn't use {-'a'}.
It was in KGT, where Okrand is telling us about special exceptions to
the usual law'/puS construction. law'be'/puSbe' is a specially
sanctioned formation, and not evidence of a general trend of using verb
suffixes.
> Oh, now I see what you are saying. You are interpreting the
> {law'/puS} verbs as if they are adjectivally modifiying noun phrases,
> as if {SoH HoS law'} meant something like "many (strong you)", in
> which case you are right: an interrogative on an adjective verb used
> adjectivally is not something we've ever seen, and it doesn't make
> much grammatical sense, either. But I've always interpreted them
> verbally, as in "The strong of you is many", in which case other verb
> suffixes are potentially allowable. I grant you, going by word
> position alone, they look more like adjectives than verbs, except
> we've never seen two adjectives in a row like that anywhere else, and
> ascribing verb-like meaning to them to me makes more sense
> grammatically. I'd say that the syntax of the {law'/puS}
> construction is so fossilized and so unlike anything else we've seen
> that you can't really draw a definite conclusion.
I'd go even farther and say that one SHOULDN'T try to interpret the
components of a law'/puS as any kind of known grammar, because one will
inevitably try to apply grammar appropriate to the model construction
but inappropriate to the law'/puS.
It's special. It can't be interpolated or expanded. It must remain
fixed. Period. Done. Game, set, and match. rIntaH.
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