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Re: jIHtaHbogh naDev vISovbe'

QeS 'utlh (qeslagh@hotmail.com)



jIghItlhpu', jIja':
>meQtaHbogh qachDaq Suv qoH neH
>only a fool fights in a burning house

mujang SuStel, ja':
>I should have said we've never seen a subject with {-Daq}, {-vo'},
>or {-vaD} on it where the locative sense applies to the clause in
>which the noun is the subject.

That's very true. Even the {meQtaHbogh qachDaq} example is the only
one of its type, I believe; we only have {-Daq} attested on direct
objects.

taH:
>(It does show a type 5 noun suffix applying to an entire phrase
>instead of just the word it's attached to, but this should come as no
>surprise, given phrases like {veng tInDaq}.)

And {qep'a' wejDIchDaq}. Although if you accept that a type 5 noun
suffix attaches to whole phrases in that way, what do you believe is
wrong with {qach vIleghboghDaq}?

jIjatlhtaH:
>{lam naDev Hemey} "the streets of this region are dirty"

jangtaH SuStel:
>Technically, the subject of this sentence isn't {naDev}, it's {naDev
>Hemey}.

Yes, you're right, and as you point out, {lam naDev} is just as suitable
as an example. Nonetheless, {naDev} *is* acting in a genitive function
(which fills the type 5 suffix slot with something other than {-Daq}
anyway), and not a locative function, so it still proves the point.

QeS 'utlh
tlhIngan Hol yejHaD pab po'wI'
(Grammarian of the Klingon Language Institute)


not nItoj Hemey ngo' juppu' ngo' je
(Old roads and old friends will never deceive you)
- Ubykh Hol vIttlhegh

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