tlhIngan-Hol Archive: Tue Aug 07 07:32:09 2007
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Re: from-to
be''etlh:
> >can "to go from X to Y" be expressed as X-vo' Y-Daq ghoS?
> >for example
> >
> > tera'vo' Qo'noSDaq jIghos
> > I went from earth to Kronos.
ter'eS:
>Although I expect to be corrected momentarily, I
>believe that the correct form would be
>
> tera'vo' Qo'noS vIghoS.
>
>{ghoS} is one of those motion verbs that has the
>destination as it's object, while {-Daq} implies where
>something occured, eg.
>
> DujvetlhDaq tera'vo' Qo'noS vIghoS.
> "I went to Kronos from Earth on that ship."
QeS:
>While the form ter'eS cites is perfectly acceptable and absolutely correct
>Klingon, there happens to be another way to say this. {tera'vo' Qo'noSDaq
>vIghoS} (note the prefix {vI-}) is also possible. In HolQeD 7:4, Okrand says
>that some verbs whose direct objects are locations or places, such as
>{ghoS}, {jaH} and {leng}, may mark their direct object (the place come, gone
>or journeyed to) with the suffix {-Daq} while - and this is the unusual part
>- retaining verb agreement for that noun. Viz:
>
> yuQDaq vIleng - I travel to the planet
> bIQtIqDaq vIjaH - I go to the river
More examples in from-to statements:
naDevvo' vaS'a'Daq majaHlaH'a'
Can we get to the Great Hall from here? PK
juHqo' Qo'noSvo' loghDaq lengtaHvIS tlhInganpu'
During the (aggressive) expansion of the Klingon people from
their homeworld of Kronos into space... SP1
{-Daq} can also be implied with {chegh}:
tera'vo' Qo'noS vIchegh
I return to Kronos from Earth. (st.k 7/99)
>The meaning is entirely changed when the pronominal prefix is a no-object
>prefix:
>
> yuQDaq jIleng - I travel on the planet
> bIQtIqDaq jIjaH - I go in the river
>
>(All these examples are from HQ 7:4.)
>
>So {tera'vo' Qo'noSDaq jIghoS} is, in a way, a little nonsensical ("I go on
>Qo'noS from Earth"? Perhaps a tourist from Earth would say this as they
>travel around Qo'noS?), although perfectly grammatical. But for the meaning
>"I went to Qo'noS from Earth", {tera'vo' Qo'noS vIghoS} and {tera'vo'
>Qo'noSDaq vIghoS} - with the prefix {vI-} - are both equally correct.
Qov wrote:
>maDo'chugh chovnatlhmey much voragh.
More examples of using {-Daq} with {ghos}:
DujDaq ghoStaH
It is approaching toward the ship. (TKD 28)
bIghHa'Daq yIghoS
Go to jail! TKD
Note that in other contexts these could be translated as "it is proceeding
on the ship" and the somewhat nonsensical "in the jail, go!" (that is, move
around inside the jailhouse).
--
Voragh
Ca'Non Master of the Klingons