ja' Shane MiQogh: > muja' De'Hom... Duja' 'Iv'e'? > ghe'torDaq jIHchugh, DaquvHa'lu'ta'. qatlh quvwIj SIgh DaqlIj'e'? Leaving aside the conceptual strangeness of {-lu'} and {-ta'} on the same verb, how would your being in Grethor have anything to do with someone else's having been dishonored? -- ghunchu'wI'