tlhIngan-Hol Archive: Wed Jan 11 14:59:12 2006
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Re: walk two miles
- From: "QeS 'utlh" <[email protected]>
- Subject: Re: walk two miles
- Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2006 08:58:59 +1000
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ghItlhpu' Voragh, ja':
>Another idea struck me: Perhaps you break it into two clauses using the
>distance verbs {Hop} "be remote, be far" and {Sum} "be near":
> ? Daqvam vIleng; cha' qelI'qam Hop.
> I went to this place; it was 2 kellicams distant.
> ? cha' qelI'qam Hopbogh Daq'e' vIleng.
> I travelled to a place 2 kellicams away.
I like the idea. Unfortunately, canon also tells us that {Hop} and {Sum} are
stative and therefore probably incapable of taking objects, as in this part
of the interview with Okrand in HolQeD 7.4:
WM: So I could not say {raSvam vISum} to say, "I am near the table."
MO: No. You'd just say {Sum raS}. The verb {Sum} implies that the speaker is
the one the subject is near at the time of speaking. {Hop jabwI'}. The
waiter is far <from me> right now.
WM: Well, that resolves the conflict otherwise created if they could take
objects. It keeps them stative, so you can say, {HIvje' Sum yItlhap}.
Which, of course, doesn't in any way resolve our question. <g>
For the time being, we may have to abandon the verb {leng} entirely, since
its focus is on the destination of the journey, whereas we want to talk
about the journey itself. Possibly {cha' qelI'qam chuq vIyIt} "I walked two
kellicams' distance". (I know {yIt} is one of those verbs that
prototypically doesn't normally take an object, but here it seems to work
for me.)
Savan,
QeS 'utlh
tlhIngan Hol yejHaD pabpo' / Grammarian of the Klingon Language Institute
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