tlhIngan-Hol Archive: Sun Dec 05 17:08:45 2004
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Re: Testing.
- From: "QeS lagh" <[email protected]>
- Subject: Re: Testing.
- Date: Mon, 06 Dec 2004 11:07:53 +1000
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ghItlh Paul:
>Ah, but remember /-ta'/ is the suffix that says the action was completed.
>Not saying this validates the expression at all, but /muvta'/ if you look
>at /muvta'/ as "joined (intentionally)", adding /-ghach/ should create a
>noun which is the attribute of having joined, or describes the state of
>something which has joined. Once a person has joined, they will always
>have been joined (arguably, even if they then unjoined, they will still
>always have joined at some point in time).
That's an interesting argument. A {muvta'ghach} probably would still go on
after the *{muvghach} had been completed. I concede that point. But I still
stand by my argument that a {muvta'ghach} isn't something you can buy or
acquire - if you change the verb, to {Sop} for instance, this becomes very
clear: can you imagine giving someone a {Sopta'ghach} for Christmas? :)
>If */muvghach/ was legal, I might translate that into "the joining", like
>"the joining of the group". But I think with the suffix, /muvta'ghach/
>more refers to "the state of having joined", which seems inline with the
>concept of a "subscription".
Agreed. The problem lies in that "subscription" has two meanings in English
that are often confused: the action of subscribing, and the actual
membership, considered a commodity, which I don't think the Klingon
{muvta'ghach} expresses. I probably wouldn't say something like {muvta'ghach
qaje'} "I buy you a subscription" - I'd just say {qamuvmoHta'} "I have
caused you to join".
If it's the action of subscribing that the site refers to, by all means use
{muvta'ghach}. I'd be wary of using it for the other meaning, though. This
is where context is important.
>It ain't perfect, but I doubt we'd really get perfection in this case.
True. {{:D
>I wonder if we could convince the next friend of Maltz to ask for a bevvy
>of
>internet service concept words like "subscribe", "log in", "log out",
>maybe some idea of how menu items should be terms (commands? /-meH/
>clauses? etc)....
IIRC there hasn't been a Friend of Maltz for some time. It'd certainly be
interesting to ask, though...
Savan.
QeS lagh
not nItoj Hemey ngo' juppu' qan je
(Old roads and old friends will never deceive you)
- Ubykh Hol vIttlhegh
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