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Re: waH

Steven Boozer ([email protected]) [KLI Member] 

Voragh:
> > Hmm... just playing with pronouns-as-verbs.  Have we ever seen a Type 9
> > suffix on a pronoun?

I did my own research and, although we've never seen {-chugh} used on a 
pronoun, we have seen other Type 9s so used:

   jIHtaHbogh naDev vISovbe'
   I'm lost. TKD

   jemS tIy qIrq. loDHom jIHDI' qIrq qun vIqImchoH.
   James T. Kirk. I've followed his history since I was a boy. (ST5 notes)

   tlhIngan SoH'a'?
   Are you a Klingon? CK

So {jIHbe'chugh SoH, QInvam yIbuSHa'} "If you are not me, disregard this 
message" seems fine.

Philip:
>Would {latlh jIHwI'} be a translation of "alter ego"? :)

"another my me"

Why add the possessive {-wI'}?  It's a foreign technical term so just use 
the literal translation {latlh jIH}.  Another approach might be {jIH 
cha'DIch} "a second me", but whether these would mean anything to a Klingon 
is another matter entirely.

>I can imagine something along the lines of {...Daq jIHtaHvIS, ...} for
>"While I was in ..., ...".

IIRC we've never seen {-taHvIS} used on a pronoun-as-verb, but I see 
nothing wrong with it.  E.g.:

   Qo'noSDaq jIHtaHvIS qagh vISop 'e' vIghoj.
   While I was on Kronos I learned to eat gagh.

We've seen the Type 7 suffix {-taH} on a pronoun:

   pa'Daq jIHtaH
   I'm in the room. TKD

   qIrq. DujHomDaq ghaHtaH!
   Kirk. He's on the shuttlecraft! ST5

   bIghHa'Daq ghaHtaH qama''e'
   The prisoner is in the prison. KGT

We've even seen the perfective Type 7 suffix:

   pa' jIHpu'be'
   I wasn't there. TKD

You can also put Type 5 noun suffixes directly on the pronoun if you want:

   SoHDaq Sum raS
   You are near the table. (HQ 12/1998)

   SoHDaq qeylIS qa' yInjaj!
   May the spirit of Kahless live within you! PK

   DaH jIHvaD yIngev!
   Sell it to me now! PK

   tuQtaHvIS Hem. ghaHvaD quHDaj qawmoH.
   He wears it proudly as a reminder of his heritage. S20

   chaq SoHvo' vay' vIje' vIneH.
   [Maybe I'd like to buy something from you. (untranslated)] PK

For some reason I thought that pronouns couldn't use all the suffixes, but 
I was obviously confused.  You just have to keep in mind whether the 
pronoun is acting like a noun in the sentence, or like a verb.



-- 
Voragh
Ca'Non Master of the Klingons

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