tlhIngan-Hol Archive: Thu Jun 19 17:49:16 2003
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Re: considering honor... again
- From: "QeS lagh" <[email protected]>
- Subject: Re: considering honor... again
- Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2003 08:43:13 +1000
ghItlh Voragh:
>This is why I tend to translate {batlh} as "Honor" (with a capital H) and
>{quv} as honor (with a small H), or even as "fame, reputation, 'face'". In
>other words, {batlh} is the general goal of Klingon society, or the
>Platonic value, if you will; {quv} is one's personal honor, something more
>manageable which is under a person's control.
vaj maQochbe'qu'.
Then one can't really lose {batlh}, merely {quv}. (Although one might argue
that the Romulans or the Ferengi have, as a race, no {batlh} in the eyes of
the Klingons. :D)
In my view, the phrase {qa'meH vIttlhegh} also gives us some idea of the
meaning of {quv} (the full phrase {quvqa'meH vIttlhegh} shows where my
argument is coming from). It would have to be a fairly weak type of honour
that could be regained simply with a replacement proverb like {HIvqa'
veqlargh!}; it would be like saying in English "Whoops, my bad". Probably
"individual honour, face, reputation" would be a bit more accurate; but I
have an idea that this is one of those words like {tova'Daq} or {qajunpaQ}
which doesn't have a direct translation into English.
Savan.
QeS lagh
<<Deghmey? Deghmey DIghajnISbe' jay'!>> - Blazing Saddles
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