tlhIngan-Hol Archive: Wed Jul 09 10:55:04 2003
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Re: yu' jIghaj...
Quoting David Trimboli <[email protected]>:
> >From: Elijah Ravenscroft <[email protected]>
> >
> > > Thus, Federation Standard is certainly English. However, since
> > > /DIvI' Hol/
> > > means "Federation language," one might question whether /DIvI' Hol/
> > > actually
> > > *means* "Federation Standard." Okrand tells us it does, so we must
> > > accept that.
> >
> >true, but from the Klingon perspective, they see the Federation use it,
> >and really care nothing about it's past or evolution, so whether that's
> >what the feddies call it or not, that's why the klingons refer to it as
> >"federation's language", or however you wanna directly translate it.
>
> This supposition isn't evidenced in canon.
>
> > > Why not *Germany* Hol ("language of
> > > Germany")?
> >
> >*Germany Hol* would be tantamount to *romuluS Hol* or *tera' Hol*, but
> >(to my limited knowledge) the only such constructions have been shown as
> >*romuluSngan Hol* or *tlhIngnan Hol*.
>
> I don't believe that /romuluSngan Hol/ is attested anywhere in canon.
> I see nothing wrong with constructing the phrases with ANY appropriate
> genitive noun; your choice of noun will alter your meaning.
>
> If I say /romuluS Hol/, I'm saying "the language(s) of Romulus." If I say
> /romuluSngan Hol/, I'm saying "the language(s) of Romulans." What if there
> are non-Romulan beings that live on Romulus, and have their own language?
> By choosing the appropriate terms, you can change your meaning.
>
> The phrase /tlhIngan Hol/ is used to refer to a specific language (and its
> dialects), though it also means "language(s) of Klingons." Since Okrand has
> provided concrete evidence of this, we can accept it as true. Aside from
> this and /DIvI' Hol/, I'm not sure what we can surmise about language names
> apart from what the rules tell us. /tlhIngan Hol/ and /DIvI' Hol/ are used
> as proper nouns; I don't think we have any any other language names that
> are.
>
> Heck, I see nothing wrong with /ghop Hol/ "hand langauge" to refer to a
> gesturing language. Keep in mind we're not talking about a proper noun
> here.
Other than tlhIngan Hol, the only canon I found is:
Do you speak Federation Standard?
DIvI' Hol Dajatlh'a'
no' Hol
ta' Hol
DloraH