tlhIngan-Hol Archive: Mon Apr 14 10:28:19 2003
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Re: Tao Te Ching Chp. 30
> > > yobHa'choHlu' rInDI' noH Dun.
> > > Bad harvests follow in the wake of great wars.
> >
> > KGT p46
> > noH - a specific war
> > veS - war, in general
>
> {veS} is the CONCEPT of war, warfare, whereas {noH} describes an event, or
> events. It needn't specify WHICH war, but it's certainly a war, not the
> concept of war. The original sentence says {rInDI' noH Dun} "when wonderful
> wars are finished." I think this works just fine. If it were {rInDI' veS
> Dun}, you'd have said "when wonderful warfare is finished," but when is the
> concept of war ever finished? I feel certain that {rIn noH} can happen, but
> {rIn veS} doesn't.
After re-reading that section I now agree.
p47
>>>
Thus, it is possible to say noH ghob or noH Suv,
both meaning "He/she fights a war," or may' ghob or
may' Suv, meaning "He/she fights a battle," but it is not
normally acceptable to say veS ghob ("He/she fights a
warfare") or vIq Suv ("He/she fights a combat").
<<<
What threw me off was when it said that noH was an "individual or specific"
war; instead of a/any/all wars in the physical realm.
DloraH