> is {ghe''or} the same as {ghe'tor}? As far as I know they are the same. Perhaps he just forgot to look it up in TKD when he wrote KGT. > ... like this: > {tlhIngan ghe''or 'oH ghe'tor'e'} > "Gre'thor is the klingon netherworld" > ??? Interesting analysis. DloraH