RE: KLBC: noH Qujmey

[Perry Brulotte <PBrulotte@tlcesmart.com>]

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Steven Boozer [mailto:sboozer@midway.uchicago.edu] 
> Sent: Thursday, May 30, 2002 12:35
> To: tlhIngan-Hol@kli.org
> Subject: Re: KLBC: noH Qujmey
> 
> 
> DloraH, paintball god, wrote:
> > > tlhIngan Hol jatlh nuvpu' 'ej noH Quj SuvwI'pu' vInej.
> > > I seek people who speak klingon and are war game warriors.
> >
> >For this we want the -bogh suffix.
> >tlhIngan Hol jatlhbogh nuvpu'  "people which speak klingon".
> >   [...]
> >We want to connect both qualities into each person.
> >
> >tlhIngan Hol jatlhbogh veS Quj SuvwI'pu' vInej.
> >"I look for paintball warriors that speak klingon."
> 
> Don't forget the correct prefix:
> 
>    tlhIngan Hol lujatlhbogh SuvwI'pu'
>    warriors who speak Klingon
> 
> {lujatlh} "they speak it"
> 

Aaahhhh... yes... I knew something was wrong with that...


> A style note:  When using a relative {-bogh} clause with an 
> object like 
> this, consider tagging {SuvwI'pu'} with the topic marker 
> {-'e'} to indicate 
> the precise object of the main verb {nej}:
> 
>    tlhIngan Hol lujatlhbogh veS Quj SuvwI'pu''e' vInej.
>    I seek (the) paintball warriors who speak Klingon.
> 
> Without {-'e'}, the sentence is somewhat ambiguous and can also be 
> translated as "I seek the Klingon that paintball warriors 
> speak".  (Maybe 
> you're collecting Klingon paintball jargon.)  If this 
> unlikely version is 
> what you actually mean, you can also tag the object of the 
> relative clause 
> with {-'e'}:
> 
>    tlhIngan Hol'e' lujatlhbogh veS Quj SuvwI'pu' vInej.
>    I seek the Klingon that paintball warriors speak.
> 
> Using {-'e'} like this is optional and, considering the 
> context in this 
> case, probably unnecessary but it's something to keep in mind.

Definitely a great tip.  I have problems with /'e'/ and am still a little
uncomfortable with it.  I know I use it wrong sometimes when I use it so I
avoid it when possible.

> 
> > > tlhIngan noH Quj tuq vIchenmoH vIneH 'ach SuvwI'pu' vItu'nIS. --I 
> > > would like to create a Klingon Paintball team but I need 
> warriors. 
> > > [I know this is also weak... suggestions?]
> 
> How about *{QujwI'ghom} "team" [group of game players] - modelled on 
> {tIjwI'ghom} "boarding party" [group of boarders]?
> 
> 

I like /QujwI'ghom/.  Now I'll have to add that to my database as well so I
remember it next time.

qatlho'.


> 
> -- 
> Voragh
> Ca'Non Master of the Klingons
>