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Re: subjects in complex sentences

>> though I would drop one of the {puqpu'} since it's a
>> short sentence:  
>>   ta' qIp 'e' ngIl puqvetlh!

> Voragh, you consistently suggest that the *first* noun be dropped. 
> Do you really find it simpler that way?  I'd much rather get the 
> information early than to have to wait for the rest of the words 
> before I can know what the first phrase is talking about.

Hmm... I've never really thought about it.  Personal style, I guess.  

I see it as an extension of Okrand's basic OVS pattern.  Klingons would expect
the subject to be at the very end of a sentence.  In a relatively short
sentence like this one, it's not that difficult to wait for the end.  And there
are even longer examples in canon:

  Ha'DIbaHmey meQ Sop 'e' [lu]tIv tera'nganpu'. 
  Terrans enjoy eating burnt animals. CK

  logh veQDaq bachchugh, yoH 'e' toblaHbe' SuvwI'.
  Shooting space garbage is no test of a warrior's mettle. (MO ST notes)

  DujDaj HubtaHvIS Hegh 'e' tul Hoch tlhIngan 
  To die defending his ship is the hope of every Klingon. TKW

  Qu'Daj ta'taHvIS Hegh 'e' tul Hoch tlhIngan 
  To die in the line of duty is the hope of every Klingon. TKW

  wo' toy'taHvIS Hegh 'e' tul Hoch tlhIngan 
  To die while serving the Empire is the hope of every Klingon. TKW

  qagh, ro'qegh'Iwchab, targh tIq Sop 'e' lungIl Humanpu' puS. 
  Few humans dare to eat gagh, rokeg blood pie, or heart of targ. S21 

  DuraS tuq tlhIngan yejquv patlh luDub 'e' reH lunIDtaH DuraS
   be'nI'pu' lurSa' be'etor je. 
  The sisters of the House of Duras, Lursa and B'Etor, are constantly
   seeking a higher standing for the House of Duras within the Klingon
   High Council. S26

I guess I've read far too much German, Russian and Latin to be confused by
long, complex sentences!

: cha'logh <puq> lo'bogh mu'tlhegh vImaS jIH, 'ach Dachchugh wa' <puq>,
: Dach cha'DIch 'e' vImaS. loSnISDI' 'IjwI, QatlhchoH 'IjmeH Qu'.

De gustibus non disputandum est.

Ca'Non Master of the Klingons

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