tlhIngan-Hol Archive: Thu Feb 28 18:52:41 2002
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[KLBC] -lu' and -ghach
- From: DOOM_er <DOOM_er@dds.nl>
- Subject: [KLBC] -lu' and -ghach
- Date: Fri, 01 Mar 2002 00:53:46 +0100
Hi again,
I feel a bit ashamed to be asking this since I've been studying Klingon for
a while now, but I'm afraid I still don't fully understand how -lu' works.
I read in TKD:
Daqaw you remember something/someone
Daqawlu' something/someone remembers you
Ok, I thought a while back, so now I can say:
Soplu' qagh gagh is eaten
Or "something/someone eats gagh". Identical to the "you remember"-example,
I thought. But, yes, I know, -lu' indicates an indefinite subject, so that
rules out Soplu' qagh. But I wonder, then why is Daqawlu' allowed? Doesn't
that specify the subject as being "you"? So I can say:
Soplu' it is eaten
but not:
Soplu' qagh the gagh is eaten
So what about Soplu' 'oH? Would that be allowed?
Also, I don't quite understand the example of -lu' in TKD... I already know
it's supposed to be naDev puqpu' lutu'lu' rather than naDev puqpu' tu'lu',
but I still don't understand...
lutu' they find something/someone
lutu'lu' something/someone finds them
So the subject and object are reversed.
But:
puqpu' lutu' they find children
puqpu' lutu'lu' something/someone finds children
Now the subject and object aren't reversed. And what about, for instance,
puqpu' Datu'lu' be?? What would that mean?
I'm probably making a big fuss about something that's really quite easy,
but maybe you could explain it for me anyways. :)
Also, a quick question about -ghach: is it ever used?? I mean, I know it's
"weird" (but not forbidden?) to use it on verbs with no suffixes, but is it
ever used altogether, or do people generally avoid it because it's not
well-understood?
Thanks for your time.
Dum`er