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[KLBC] -lu' and -ghach




Hi again,

I feel a bit ashamed to be asking this since I've been studying Klingon for 
a while now, but I'm afraid I still don't fully understand how -lu' works. 
I read in TKD:

Daqaw	you remember something/someone
Daqawlu'	something/someone remembers you

Ok, I thought a while back, so now I can say:

Soplu' qagh	gagh is eaten

Or "something/someone eats gagh". Identical to the "you remember"-example, 
I thought. But, yes, I know, -lu' indicates an indefinite subject, so that 
rules out Soplu' qagh. But I wonder, then why is Daqawlu' allowed? Doesn't 
that specify the subject as being "you"? So I can say:

Soplu'		it is eaten

but not:

Soplu' qagh	the gagh is eaten

So what about Soplu' 'oH? Would that be allowed?

Also, I don't quite understand the example of -lu' in TKD... I already know 
it's supposed to be naDev puqpu' lutu'lu' rather than naDev puqpu' tu'lu', 
but I still don't understand...

lutu'		they find something/someone
lutu'lu'		something/someone finds them

So the subject and object are reversed.

But:

puqpu' lutu'	they find children
puqpu' lutu'lu'	something/someone finds children

Now the subject and object aren't reversed. And what about, for instance, 
puqpu' Datu'lu' be?? What would that mean?

I'm probably making a big fuss about something that's really quite easy, 
but maybe you could explain it for me anyways. :)

Also, a quick question about -ghach: is it ever used?? I mean, I know it's 
"weird" (but not forbidden?) to use it on verbs with no suffixes, but is it 
ever used altogether, or do people generally avoid it because it's not 
well-understood?


Thanks for your time.


Dum`er



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