tlhIngan-Hol Archive: Wed Feb 27 17:13:45 2002

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Re: yaywIj yIngaq!

On 26 Feb 2002 at 14:39, Bartholomew Barker wrote:

I will now revert to English.  My command of tlhIngan Hol is such 
that creating my original message took about half an hour, and 
henceforth I will be discussing the *language* of the messages, not 
the topic.  (Readers are of course invited to discuss the *TOPIC* 
with me off-list.)

> ghItlh 'etlhqengwI':
> >Georgia qumwI' vImojmeH jI'ovlI', law' Hu' 'e' vImaqqu'.
> >
> >Georgia rewbe'pu', Qu'wIj yIngaq!
> >
> >wa'maH chorgh leS, paw qad'a' wa'DIch.
> >
> >jI'um'a'?  Georgia Libertarian qep'a'Daq, jaj'e' wuq quprIp.
> >
> >Qu'wIj yImuv! yIlaD.
> >
> >DaH peSap!

Now let me see if I get the sense of what you have said.  Bear with 
me as I will be reading TKD and typing VERY slowly.  <grin>
> loQ bIpabHa' 'ach qayajbej.
"You have slightly broken the rules, never the less I certainly 
understand."  (Presumably the rules of grammar? Group rules allow ALL 
topics, if spoken in Hol, correct?  OK, help me out - where did I go 
wrong linguistically?)

> bIvangmo' qaqaD! 
"Because you take action, I challenge you."

> bep neH rewbe' law' (jIbepmo' neH, jItuH) 'ach qum mIw DajeS 'ej batlh
> bIvang. 
"Many citizens only complain (I am ashamed because I only complain.) 
however you it participate in the government process and take 

> ngochmeylIjmo' maQoch 'ach potlhbe'.
"Because of your policies we disagree however, [that is] not 

> loQ malja' qumnISlu'. 
"Business must be governed."

> nuHmey SeHnISlu' je. 
"And weapons must be controlled."

> Huchmo' qal qummaj 'ach Do'Ha' 'uttaH qummaj. 
"Unfortunately however, because of money our government is 
essentially a corrupt government."  (I am ignoring what looks like a 
superflous <maj> on one instance of <qum>)

> wej ma'Itlh. 
"We are not yet advanced."

> cha' ben *naDIr* vIwIv. 
"Two years ago I chose Nader."  (I can't resist - the tlhIngan Hol 
spelling is *so* much better. <grin>)

> jISuDlaw' ;)
"Apparently I'm Green"
> SoHvaD wIvmeH vIttlhegh puS vIqon: 
--- for you choose-for truth-line be-few[or]sight I record ---
(OK - here, I'm lost.  From the first two words, I get the sense that 
you are setting up a sort of conditional - "In order [for me] to 
choose you...".  And I take the closing verb to indicate that the 
conditional is referring to the sentences that follow - You are 
"recording" them as suggestions?  Or you are saying this "for the 
record"?  But <vittlhegh> [truth-line?] and <puS> [to be few?  or to 
sight?] are confusing me.)

> <<tuwIvbe'chugh SuHegh!>>
'If you don't choose me, you [will] die.'

> <<pe'omQo'! DaH HIwIv!>>
'Don't <???>!  Support me NOW!'
(This one eludes me also.  I am assuming from the context that <pe> 
in this case is the imperitive prefix, and <Qo'> the negative 
emphatic suffix.  Thus, I looked for the root word <'om> both in TKD 
and in the list of new words on the KLI site, but couldn't find it.)

Garrett Michael Hayes

"Democracy is two wolves and a sheep voting on 
what to have for dinner.  Liberty is two wolves
trying to have a sheep for dinner and finding a
well informed, well armed sheep."  Unknown

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