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Re: -lu' and -be', small aside on Paul Simon

tulwI' (Stephan):
>lab Voragh:
>>tulwI' (Stephan) wrote:
>>>>   'u' SepmeyDaq Sovbe'lu'bogh lenglu'meH He ghoSlu'bogh retlhDaq 'oHtaH
>>>>   It waits...on the edge of the galaxy, beside a passage to unknown 
>>>> regions of
>>>>    the universe... (SkyBox DS99)
>>>could anyone help me to parse this sentence?
>>>'u' SepmeyDaq Sovbe'lu'bogh lenglu'meH => in order that one travels to 
>>>the regions of the universe that one doesn't know
>>You have it right:
>>'u' Sepmey Sovbe'lu'bogh = the universe's unknown regions ("regions which 
>>one doesn't know")
>>SepmeyDaq lunglu'meH = in order to travel to (the) regions
>>>He ghoSlu'bogh = a route that one approaches
>>>retlhDaq 'oHtaH = it "waits" in the area beside
>>>it's not a sentence. what's wrong?
>>It is a sentence, but you've broken it up in the wrong place:
>>   ... He ghoSlu'bogh retlhDaq 'oHtaH.
>>   It is (located) next to ["at the area beside"] the route which proceeds...
>but why no /He ghoSbogh/ - "the route that proceeds"?

That would be {ghoSbogh He} if {He} is the subject of {ghoS}.

I should have translated it as: {He ghoSlu'bogh} "a route that one follows, 
a route which is followed"

>what does /ghoS/ acutally mean? "to follow a route"?

{ghoS} is a general verb of motion with a variety of English glosses: 
thrust, follow a course, proceed, come toward, approach, go to, etc.

>>Looking at examples of {tu'lu'} in canon, many people have noticed that 
>>Klingons apparently drop {lu-} colloquially.  Qov has called this "the 
>>Klingon version of 'whom'."  In (North American) English, most people use 
>>the word "who" as the direct object of a verb when formally they should 
>>be using "whom", much like most Klingons say {tu'lu'} when they should be 
>>saying {lutu'lu'}.  BTW, this usage was confirmed by Okrand at qep'a' 
>>loSDIch, who was quite taken with her idea.  He later expanded and 
>>explained it in some detail in KGT in the section called "Common Errors: 
>>The Case of {lu-}" (pp. 168-172).
>i remember that i have read this in a book called "the language instinct". 
>one of your former presidents had to decide between two slogans: "whom you 
>gonna vote" and "who you gonna vote". something like that.

I've never heard this anecdote, but the two choices would more likely have 
been the very formal, upper-class "for whom are you going to vote?" vs. the 
folksy, democratic "who you gonna vote for?".

Ca'Non Master of the Klingons

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