tlhIngan-Hol Archive: Thu Oct 18 00:13:36 2001
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Re: KLBC: Limmerick vIqonta'
From: "TPO" <[email protected]>
> > yoHbogh matlhbogh je SuvwI' / Say'moHchu' may' 'Iw.
> > (from /Qoy qeylIS puqloD/, also known as /SuvwI' van bom/)
> >
> > The line SHOULD read /yoHbogh SuvwI' 'ej matlhbogh Say'moHchu' may' 'Iw/
> > ("The blood of battle washes clean the warrior brave and true"). You
> can't
> > join two verbs with /je/. But this doesn't fit in with the song's
meter.
>
> Where are the two verbs being joined by je?
> [yoHbogh SuvwI'] is not a verb.
/yoHbogh/ and /matlhbogh/ are verbs. The song ungrammatically joins them
with /je/.
> I agree that the line is not correct, but it would not be what you wrote
> either.
It certainly would be. To say "brave and loyal warrior," you'd say /yoHbogh
SuvwI' 'ej matlhbogh/. Verbs, as well as sentences, can be conjoined by
/'ej/, /qoj/, and /pagh/. There have been multiple examples of this sort of
thing. For instance, /SuDbogh Dargh 'ej wovbogh/ "tea that is /SuD/ and
light." (KGT p. 82)
Other grammatically valid ways of saying "brave and loyal warrior" are
yoHbogh SuvwI' matlh
matlhbogh SuvwI' yoH
yoHbogh 'ej matlhbogh SuvwI'
(However, TKD pp. 61-62 says that when you join two sentences that use the
same noun, the SECOND of the two nouns may be made into a pronoun or, if
context is clear, that pronoun may be dropped -- and that's why Okrand uses
/SuDbogh Dargh 'ej wovbogh/ instead of /SuDbogh 'ej wovbogh Dargh/ and the
like. This way of saying "brave and loyal warrior" is not grammatically
incorrect, but the usage is inconsistent with many examples.)
SuStel
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