tlhIngan-Hol Archive: Mon Oct 01 05:12:49 2001
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Re: never bet on Star Trek trivia...
- From: Jiri Baum <[email protected]>
- Subject: Re: never bet on Star Trek trivia...
- Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2001 20:03:17 +1000
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> > Never bet on Star Trek trivia if your opponent speaks Klingon.
> > - Ancient Kung Foole Proverb
> > tlhIngan Hol jatlhlaHchugh ghollI' Hov leng ngoDHommey'e' yISuDQo'qu'
TPO:
> The first half is good.
Thank you.
> When I read the definition of SuD, I don't see it taking an object.
Well, I didn't give it one...
> Perhaps: Hov leng ngoDHommey SovlIj toblu'taHvIS yISuDQo'.
> "Don't gamble while one tests your knowledge of Star Trek trivia."
That'd be more explicit, yes.
> > nIDghachwIj:
> Instead of trying to turn this nice verb into a noun, lets use it as a
> verb.
> jInID:
Ah yes. I don't speak Klingon well enough to do this second pass of
translation...
> > Can ((-qu')) go after ((-Qo')) like that?
> TKD p49 shows multiple rovers on a verb. To ME the sentence is
> understandable; BUT on p47 "Unlike -be', the position of -Qo' does not
> change: it occurs last, unless followed by a Type 9 suffix." Does this
> mean other rovers can't go after it, or just other Type #?
That's about as far as I got, too...
> > If not, how is ((not)) used in a negative imperative sentence?
> [not] is an adverbial and is placed at the beginning of the sentence.
Yeah, but is it ((not yISuD)) or ((not yISuDQo')) ?
Or perhaps I should rephrase it altogether, ((bISuDchugh Dujeybej)), but
then I'd have to completely re-do the sentence from scratch. As I should
while translating.
> > I originally put in ((vaj)) just after ((ghollI')), to separate it from
> > the ((Hov leng ngoDHommey)), but on second thoughts I guess the other
> > reading is just as good, so I changed it back to the ambiguous form...
> Okrand has used punctuation, so why can't we? Put a comma in there.
True... then again I kind-of liked the subtle ambiguity...
Thanks for the answer!
Jiri
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